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== Template Brackets and Translation ==
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== Ordering Division Honors & Completion Percentage of an Honor ==
  
Just for future reference, please, whenever including a template that has information that spans more than a paragraph, please do one of the following: either keep it all together with no spaces between paragraphs or include the opening and closing brackets in their own line. For example:<br /><br />
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Hey [[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] or [[User:W126jep|w126jep]].
  
{{templatename<br />info info info<br />info info info info<br />Other paragraph other paragraph}}<br />
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I have two questions for you on honors:
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{{<br /><br />templatename<br />info info info<br />info info info info<br />Other paragraph other paragraph<br /><br />}}<br /><br />
 
  
I ask this because when attempting to translate, if there is a break anywhere between the opening and closing brackets, the software will divide each of these separations into translatable chunks. When this happens, the software does not recognize that the template should all go together and be seen as one unit. I then cannot properly translate these chunks because the translation software will not save the translation, thinking there is an error.<br /><br />I have had to go in every once in a while and edit the text to either separate or put together the template brackets so that I might be able to properly save the translation. If it sounds confusing, just let me know and I will try to explain it better. Thanks!<br /><br /> --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 07:51, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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I have a few Pathfinders here that just recently completed an honor from another division. How does one go about ordering it? They are from South America and Australia. But they are not under the NAD [AdventSource].
  
:Can you provide a link to an edit diff that shows what you did to fix one? That would be the easiest way to explain it. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:36, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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My other question is, I am hearing rumors that if a person completes 80% of the honor they can receive the honor. Is this true and if so does it apply to classwork also?
  
::[http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Species_Account/Somniosus_microcephalus&diff=prev&oldid=178702 Here] is an example of an edit I did, separating the opening and closing brackets into their own lines. Before I made the edit, the chunks marked to translate were separated into two; the chunk before "|range" and the chunk after it. These are parts, though, of the same template. For some odd reason, the software will not save the translation chunk if it is missing a pair of brackets. I have to edit it so that the brackets are either on their own separate lines (thereby making each pair of brackets their own translatable chunk) or eliminate any spaces between paragraphs so that the chunk includes both pairs of brackets. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 21:56, 17 December 2015 (EST)
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--[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 05:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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:Hi [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]], here are my answers:
  
== Year 2016 ==
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:1) We have a page in the Pathfinder Wiki that gives a general explanation about ordering and purchasing regional honors from other divisions found [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Purchase|here]] (it should probably be updated a bit). The reality is that in order to receive the patch, you must contact any of the official vendors from that division. Many times this might be from stores within those countries (similar to Advent''Source'' in the NAD), or it might be from local conference offices of these territories.
  
New Year! New blessings! Let's make 2016 one of the best years and have this Wiki up to 100% before 2017! [[User:RABaker96|RABaker96]] already has us started off with awesome contributions to the Sand honor! Nicely done! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 18:19, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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:The only real way to know is to contact these conferences or stores. This can be done by e-mail or telephone. You would have to do some research to find out who to contact in those divisions. For the SAD, in order to contact them, you will have to either speak their native language (Portuguese or Spanish) or find some means of interpretation services. Or hope someone there speaks English!
:Your note spurred me to add the answers to [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Water Science|Water Science]] & Advanced using the material submitted to the NAD when the honor was proposed. I've got material for all the 2015 honors if anyone else wants to make use of it for adding answers to other honors.  Drop me a note and I'll send it to you.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:31, 1 January 2016 (EST)
 
::That's great! Let's keep going and see if we can get others on board! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 16:37, 2 January 2016 (EST)
 
  
== Retired Insignia Page ==
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:I have some contacts within the SAD where I have purchased items before so I might be able to assist if you would like.
  
I have been wanting to create [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Retired_Insignia|this page]] for a long time, as previously discussed in another thread. I finally decided to go ahead and just get it started and see where it goes from there. I'm not sure where a link to it would belong, so I haven't put one up yet. My hope is that it will also be a page with useful information for the Adventist Youth Ministries Museum that Dixie Plata and others are collaborating on.
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:2) An honor is completed when all requirements have been fully satisfied. The patch is only awarded to those who have duly fulfilled all necessary requirements. I have never heard of this «80%» before, but it is completely untrue.
  
I still have some more patches around that I want to put up and I know that there are people out there who could definitely contribute too! If you're one of them, upload those images! If anyone has any ideas on how to improve the look, style, formatting, wording, etc., be my guest. I just wanted to get this thing going. [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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:Some honors have requirements where you can choose between different options to complete; this might make it ''seem'' like you are only completing 80%, but in reality you are still satisfying all necessary requirements.
  
:This is a nice addition!  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:30, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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:The same goes for IA curricula. All necessary requirements must be completed fully in order to be invested in that level. Each level has the basic requirements and the advanced requirements. If a Pathfinder is only completing the basic level, then there is much material in the booklet that he or she will not complete, since it is not necessary for basic level. If a Pathfinder wishes to be invested in the advanced level (and therefore receive the advanced ribbon bar), he or she must fulfill all advanced requirements as well. Again, this disparity might make it ''seem'' as if only 80% is being done, but everything necessary is being completed.
  
::Where would a link to this page be most suitable? We need community members to upload outdated images, but if they can't get to this page, it will not happen. [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 12:42, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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:If this 80% rule were true (and it's not), how would you measure that 80%? If you have 10 questions, only complete 8? What if you have only two questions? Completing only one question would make it only 50% complete, not 80%. How would you choose which questions to complete?
  
:::Maybe on the main Honor index page.  I've been thinking that we might want to drop the huge image of the key-hand-off from there.  I like the image, and it was developed as the AYHAB book cover. But online, do we really need a cover?  We could also leave it there but reduce it in size substantially. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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:Most honors have a «theoretical» and a «practical» component. For example, [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Arts_and_Crafts/Duct_Tape|Duct Tape]] has questions about what is duct tape and how can you use it. It also has a part where you must actually build something with duct tape. So if only 80% were required to receive the patch, could a Pathfinder technically only complete the book answer work and not have to actually use duct tape?
::::I like the image also. I would vote to reduce the size, or even refit it as a banner, those that are really wide across. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 16:07, 4 February 2016 (EST)
 
  
== Additional Information? ==
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:This idea of 80% completion goes against the philosophy and purpose of the AY honors, which can be found [http://www.pathfindersonline.org/honors/new-honors-submission here]. If indeed you are in contact with people who think this is true, using tact and spiritual guidance, please let them now that this is not true and can be construed as dishonest.
A couple questions here. I know some of them would take quite a while before they could even be started on. but its a thought.
 
  
What about possibly creating a link to Other information. Ie: Ay Story, Pathfinder Manual, The Happy Path, Church Heritage etc? and maybe possibly adding on Pathfinder/Master Guide Leadership training courses(The Power points)?
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:I hope these answers are of value to you. I know it is long, but I wanted to try give you a clear and concise answer. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 20:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
  
Is there a page set up for Adventurer's honours and the Investiture for them?
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::Hi [[User:W126jep|w126jep]]
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::Thank you for clarifying those questions. I'm really curious to know where the people around here (Directors and Master Guides) are saying the 80%. I believe exactly what you said as that is why I was looking for a more correct answer. 80% could apply to all the research but not to the hands on experience. I'm curious to know where they came up with this decision. I know that some clubs here require the Pathfinders to also to write the final exam for each honour that the director would make up. Thanks for your answer it was very informative!
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::--[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 22:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
  
Is it possible to incorporate the honours into a Powerpoint slide presentation that could be available for some clubs to use as a guide for teaching the honours?
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:::Can you tell me how legit Pathfindershirts.com is?
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:::--[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 23:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
  
[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 03:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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::::PathfinderShirts has a long and tumultous history behind it. Long story short, they are a company based in Florida that basically provides a lot of custom-made club-centric material. They sell of lot of novelties and accessories where they kind of slap on the club logo you want: whistles with Adventurer logo, tie pins with MG logo, Medals, etc.
  
:All of those are excellent ideas, but we would need to get permission from the copyright holders to add that material here (though if you already know where it exists online, we could certainly add a link to that).  There is an Adventurers project over on Wikibooks (which is where this started before the NAD adopted us).  It would be nice if they would come over here as well.  I have invited them at the NAD level, and though they seemed interested, that's as far as it went.  I'll bring it up again in January during the annual meeting, and see if they are interested in having the person who did the work on Wikibooks move that work over here.
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::::Some conferences have used them as a provider for conference-specific uniform accessories (Chesapeake uses them for an Adv. MG scarf; some conferences use them for non-sanctioned TLT scarves; California uses them for their Discovery Club; Florida used to use them for the 8-star MG logos). They duplicate much of what Advent''Source'' sells by way of uniforms, but it is usually a little more expensive.
:There is nothing stopping anyone from creating Powerpoints and uploading them here.  If you click on the "Upload file" link in the left panel, you will see that ppt is an acceptable file type.  Then you can add it to a page the same way you'd add an image <nowiki>[[File:filename.ppt]]</nowiki>.  I've thought about doing that myself several times, but my ppt's always look like they were made by a ppt novice (which is in fact, quite true!)
 
:Another concept I've been playing with is making videos.  We can already embed youtube videos here, but more than that, we can upload them here as well. 
 
:Thanks for sharing your ideas!  This is how we get better. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 
::Welcome to the Wiki, [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]]! Excited to have you help us collaborating. I think [[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] already did a good job of answering your questions. I just wanted to mention about the Leadership Training PowerPoints.
 
::I myself have been an instructor at Leadership Training in a few different conferences. I always have to tweak or change my presentations when presenting in different conferences, because much of the material can be region-specific. For example, I was teaching in one conference the rules of competing in a marching competition. In this certain conference, only Pathfinders or TLTs could be the drill instructors and participate in marching competitions. Yet in another conference where I taught the same thing, their conference allowed adults, directors, and Master Guides to be instructors and participate. Different conferences also have to adhere to different laws according to their region, thus trainings on rules for child abuse, background checks, etc. will vary as well.
 
::If you look at the new AYMT material provided by the NAD (here is the link: [http://www.pathfindersonline.org/leaders/aymt-training AYMT Training]), their seminar descriptions just give a broad summary of what should be covered in that particular seminar. This was done on purpose so that local leaders can adapt material to suit the needs of their local clubs and churches.
 
::Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we technically ''could'' put up training seminars, but the NAD is so vast and diverse that it probably wouldn't really assist anyone in actually learning the material they need to know. For example, a training seminar from British Columbia on how to camp during the winter months would probably not really benefit a club from Miami, Florida! This is why each conference is supposed to hold Leadership Conventions or similar at least once a year.
 
::Even so, I do like your idea of providing PPTs for the honors. That is something that I think would be greatly beneficial to many.
 
::Blessings and again, welcome! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 21:35, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 
  
Thanks for the welcome [[User:W126jep|W126jep]] and thanks for clarifying on the AYMT material! :)
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::::PathfinderShirts is not allowed to sell any IA emblems or other investiture material since they are not an official provider for the NAD. You can use them to buy lots of interesting accessories, but these things are usually not a required part of any uniform.
  
== The Other Category ==
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::::I have used them in the past for drill uniform accessories, Pathfinder of the Year medals, and other neat little accessories that I have given to Pathfinders just as novelty gifts for Investiture. I would not, however, recommend them as an official source for club materials or uniforms. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
  
With the expansion of the wiki to include MG, silver & gold awards, and the pastor's pin (et al), it would be better if we created a new template rather than use the honor_desc (which stands for honor descriptor) template. I haven't noticed any problems yet, but all the indices are built now by extracting information from honor_desc. In other words, we don't add things to the indices - they get added automatically when a page uses the honor_desc template. This means there's a good chance we could add non-honors to the indices by accident. I think setting the category to "Other" has prevented this so far, but I'd rather not stress the structure by adding things to it that it was not intended to support. By using a new template, we could also change the color scheme (and layout) so that people won't think that the pastor's pin or MG are just different honors. The template is already complicated enough, so I really don't want to adjust it to accommodate a new type of page. Thoughts? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 
  
:I was thinking that last night. I just wasn't quite sure how to create the template. Colour scheme we could go with grey. Its a pretty neutral colour. We really don't need the date of when it was created unless your using it for trivial. I think all of these are approved by the GC, unless there are other awards in other countries. But we could expand that category by quite a bit. There is the TLT, AYMT, BST program we could put the requirements on. Even Scribe and Captain pins could be put into the category. I find the structure of the honours a lot easyier to read than the Retired Honour Table. Could we throw the Oshkosh pins and badges in here or would they be going into retired badges? There is no need of skill level for these.
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==Series Category==
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I was toying with the idea of either adding a section or a category regarding to series. By series, I mean honors that deal with very similar themes or requirements, and can be taught close together. Most honors do not fall into a series category, but I think it might be helpful for the ones that do. Here are some series I can think of now:
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* First Aid series (Basic Rescue, Basic First Aid, Standard First Aid, CPR, etc.)
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* Creationism/Origins series (Creationism, Biblical Archaeology, Fossils, etc.)
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* Camping (Fire Building, Campcraft, Camping Skills, Tents, etc.)
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* Other possible series: bugs (or insects if you want to be technical), acrobatics, botany, Bible studies...
  
:I noticed there was a class called Pioneer and Navigator. Should those go in retired or in other??
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I wouldn't want to just start making up series willy nilly, but there are honors that have been taught together or close together for a while now throughout several clubs and conferences I have visited. This might give a guide or reference for anyone that might not realize they can teach several honors close together and use the same resources and materials.
:::These two classes are actual classes used only in the Florida Conference, hence they shouldn't go in the retired section. They might be able to go in the Other section, but they're not like the others. They're more like the MG category or IA in that they are entire curricula. But they definitely don't go in the retired section. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 
:If we really wanted to really expand the categories. We could do a category for Camporee Patches within conferences. But that might be a little to excessive! It would have to be seperated by state/provincial and adding year to it. [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 20:55, 19 November 2016
 
:::A page for camporee patches would be insanely difficult to complete with so many conferences and territories, although I am all for it. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 
::If you'd like to sketch something up, I could code it. I just don't have the energy to be ''creative'' right now. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 02:12, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 
:::Having a new template sounds like a good idea. I would also propose that [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] come up with something as I am curious to see what he has in mind. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 20:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 
  
Already Working on it, I'm going to try and give the coding a try first [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 20:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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What do you think? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 18:00, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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:I think the idea has merit.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
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:I like the idea, especially if someone goes to a Zoo or an aquarium, (Sports in school) etc, There are many honours that can be done in that one setting if one so chooses. It also bonuses on when you go to that setting and when you get home you find out another honor that could have been completed but now that you missed out it can be disappointing. --[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 01:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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== HTML5video tag ==
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Hey everyone,
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The HTML5video tag no longer works. I have installed a new extension called [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets Widgets] along with a YouTube script that does the same thing (and with other scripts, we could do many other things as well). I've gone though the wiki and replaced all of the English language html5video tags, but I may have missed some. You can't just search for "HTML5video" because it's a tag, and the search results reveal nothing. :-/  So keep your eyes open for any strays I may have missed. The syntax for the widget is a bit easier:
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<nowiki>
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{{#widget:YouTube|id=DWef69ItVrU}}
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</nowiki>
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Where that random string following the id= is the youtube video id. In the HTML5video tag, the id is between the start and end tags:
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<nowiki>
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<HTML5video blah blah blah>DWef69ItVrU</HTML5video>
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</nowiki>
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Jaceil, I'm going to dump the Spanish edits in your lap.  Sorry. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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:Nice. I had meant to let you know about it a while back. I think I had been working on the Bats honor and realized that the tags no longer were functioning. I must have forgotten to tell you about it, though. I kind of figured, also, I would have to fix the Spanish counterparts... no worries, not too difficult. Any idea why the tags suddenly just went defunct? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 22:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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:: I've been puzzling over that, but haven't come to any solid conclusions.  I do know that the extension has been deprecated and archived at mediawiki, but the only way they could disable it on our setup is if it relied on something they were hosting.  Not a whole lot to be gained by chasing that one though, so I just installed Widgets instead. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:22, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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== Watch for Spam ==
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I've re-enabled account creation on the wiki.  I had disabled ~6months ago when we had a severe spam outbreak.  It might come back. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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== Overlay or Superimpose template? ==
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I wanted to try to put a giant X or some other image over the patch images of the SAD honors. Something like [[File:Heavy red "x".png|50 px]]. This is so that the image is still observable to the user, but it will be completely obvious that the patch is not available through Advent''Source''. Is there some kind of template we can use that superimposes or overlays one image onto another? -- [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 12:16, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
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:Maybe.  I'm looking into it.  [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images this] looks promising (the packed-overlay mode), but it would require that we place the image in a gallery.  That might not be a problem, but it might make it harder to get it to look right.  The feature is available on our current installation. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 17:34, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
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<gallery mode="packed-overlay">
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File:Cold Weather Survival.png|Not available
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::I've been fooling around with it in [[:template:honor_desc2]], but so far I've not found the correct syntax. Feel free to hack. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 18:00, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
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:::Found a template on WP. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:46, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
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{{Superimpose
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  | base_caption = Cold Weather Survival
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  | x = 10
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}}
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Checking that the superimpose template can be used without an overlay (which would ease the coding)..
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{{Superimpose
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}}
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::::Very nice. Haven't had too much time to check it out, but idea would be to include it in the honor desc for whenever it picks up an SAD honor. That should deter people from thinking they can get it fom Advent''Source''. I would still like for them to be able to see the patch if they want to click on it and check it out, but default should be a giant X. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 22:21, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
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::::I originally tried using the superimpose template but it didn't seem to work when I tried it. Maybe I was outting the text in wrong... --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 22:24, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
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:::::I've got something coded up in [[:template:honor desc2]]. I've munged the honor name and category in the examples below because I can't remember if using honor_desc2 affects the database or not.  I wouldn't want to inject nonsense into the indices. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:28, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
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{{honor_desc2
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|stage=00
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|honorname=Not An Honor
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|skill=1
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|year=2012
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|category=Naturally
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|authority=South American Division
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|insignia_source=SAD
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|insignia=Ants.png}}
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{{honor_desc2
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|stage=00
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|honorname=Not An Honor
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|skill=1
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|year=2012
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|category=Naturally
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|authority=East American Division
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|insignia=Cold Weather Survival.png}}
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It still needs work before it can go live. The image isn't centered, and the row height is too big in the non-AdventSource case. Feel free to hack on it. I'm done tonight! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:31, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
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:So I uploaded an image I think would be appropriate and get the message across to superimpose. However, I cannot figure out how to center the image. I don't know what caused the alignment to change. Also, I don't know why it doesn't seem to work for the "East American Division" version. If the image can be centered, I think this would be ready to go live and set up for SAD honors and the like. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 16:55, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
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:::::Brilliant! I think it looks great and will definitely get the message across. I had originally wanted it possible to click on the patch from the table and see the full image; this is still possible, it's just hard to find a spot to click because the superimposed image covers almost all the patch. It can still be done around the edges though, and I am ok with that. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 07:32, 9 October 2018 (EDT)
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The superimpose template flags the SPD honors, but that is accurate, as the ones we have correctly marked, like Australian Birds or Folk Art, are not really available at Advent''Source'' either. This makes me think about the regional honors. Would it make sense to now include them in an indexed list on their own page, with the superimposed image? They still wouldn't be included in the main count. Also ADRA? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 07:32, 9 October 2018 (EDT)
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This makes it cumbersome and time-consuming to change everything here on the Wiki, but I also like uniformity. Some of the changes make sense but many of them I do not agree with. Either way, just please excuse the mess if you see broken links, unfinished translations or differing things. Also, just grammatically, Spanish does not capitalize all words in a phrase as a title, only the first word. So I am trying to fix that at the same time too. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 17:38, 2 January 2019 (EST)

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Ordering Division Honors & Completion Percentage of an Honor

Hey Jomegat or w126jep.

I have two questions for you on honors:

I have a few Pathfinders here that just recently completed an honor from another division. How does one go about ordering it? They are from South America and Australia. But they are not under the NAD [AdventSource].

My other question is, I am hearing rumors that if a person completes 80% of the honor they can receive the honor. Is this true and if so does it apply to classwork also?

--Ixoekea (talk) 05:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ixoekea, here are my answers:
1) We have a page in the Pathfinder Wiki that gives a general explanation about ordering and purchasing regional honors from other divisions found here (it should probably be updated a bit). The reality is that in order to receive the patch, you must contact any of the official vendors from that division. Many times this might be from stores within those countries (similar to AdventSource in the NAD), or it might be from local conference offices of these territories.
The only real way to know is to contact these conferences or stores. This can be done by e-mail or telephone. You would have to do some research to find out who to contact in those divisions. For the SAD, in order to contact them, you will have to either speak their native language (Portuguese or Spanish) or find some means of interpretation services. Or hope someone there speaks English!
I have some contacts within the SAD where I have purchased items before so I might be able to assist if you would like.
2) An honor is completed when all requirements have been fully satisfied. The patch is only awarded to those who have duly fulfilled all necessary requirements. I have never heard of this «80%» before, but it is completely untrue.
Some honors have requirements where you can choose between different options to complete; this might make it seem like you are only completing 80%, but in reality you are still satisfying all necessary requirements.
The same goes for IA curricula. All necessary requirements must be completed fully in order to be invested in that level. Each level has the basic requirements and the advanced requirements. If a Pathfinder is only completing the basic level, then there is much material in the booklet that he or she will not complete, since it is not necessary for basic level. If a Pathfinder wishes to be invested in the advanced level (and therefore receive the advanced ribbon bar), he or she must fulfill all advanced requirements as well. Again, this disparity might make it seem as if only 80% is being done, but everything necessary is being completed.
If this 80% rule were true (and it's not), how would you measure that 80%? If you have 10 questions, only complete 8? What if you have only two questions? Completing only one question would make it only 50% complete, not 80%. How would you choose which questions to complete?
Most honors have a «theoretical» and a «practical» component. For example, Duct Tape has questions about what is duct tape and how can you use it. It also has a part where you must actually build something with duct tape. So if only 80% were required to receive the patch, could a Pathfinder technically only complete the book answer work and not have to actually use duct tape?
This idea of 80% completion goes against the philosophy and purpose of the AY honors, which can be found here. If indeed you are in contact with people who think this is true, using tact and spiritual guidance, please let them now that this is not true and can be construed as dishonest.
I hope these answers are of value to you. I know it is long, but I wanted to try give you a clear and concise answer. --w126jep (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi w126jep
Thank you for clarifying those questions. I'm really curious to know where the people around here (Directors and Master Guides) are saying the 80%. I believe exactly what you said as that is why I was looking for a more correct answer. 80% could apply to all the research but not to the hands on experience. I'm curious to know where they came up with this decision. I know that some clubs here require the Pathfinders to also to write the final exam for each honour that the director would make up. Thanks for your answer it was very informative!
--Ixoekea (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Can you tell me how legit Pathfindershirts.com is?
--Ixoekea (talk) 23:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
PathfinderShirts has a long and tumultous history behind it. Long story short, they are a company based in Florida that basically provides a lot of custom-made club-centric material. They sell of lot of novelties and accessories where they kind of slap on the club logo you want: whistles with Adventurer logo, tie pins with MG logo, Medals, etc.
Some conferences have used them as a provider for conference-specific uniform accessories (Chesapeake uses them for an Adv. MG scarf; some conferences use them for non-sanctioned TLT scarves; California uses them for their Discovery Club; Florida used to use them for the 8-star MG logos). They duplicate much of what AdventSource sells by way of uniforms, but it is usually a little more expensive.
PathfinderShirts is not allowed to sell any IA emblems or other investiture material since they are not an official provider for the NAD. You can use them to buy lots of interesting accessories, but these things are usually not a required part of any uniform.
I have used them in the past for drill uniform accessories, Pathfinder of the Year medals, and other neat little accessories that I have given to Pathfinders just as novelty gifts for Investiture. I would not, however, recommend them as an official source for club materials or uniforms. --w126jep (talk) 00:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


Series Category

I was toying with the idea of either adding a section or a category regarding to series. By series, I mean honors that deal with very similar themes or requirements, and can be taught close together. Most honors do not fall into a series category, but I think it might be helpful for the ones that do. Here are some series I can think of now:

  • First Aid series (Basic Rescue, Basic First Aid, Standard First Aid, CPR, etc.)
  • Creationism/Origins series (Creationism, Biblical Archaeology, Fossils, etc.)
  • Camping (Fire Building, Campcraft, Camping Skills, Tents, etc.)
  • Other possible series: bugs (or insects if you want to be technical), acrobatics, botany, Bible studies...

I wouldn't want to just start making up series willy nilly, but there are honors that have been taught together or close together for a while now throughout several clubs and conferences I have visited. This might give a guide or reference for anyone that might not realize they can teach several honors close together and use the same resources and materials.

What do you think? --w126jep (talk) 18:00, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I think the idea has merit. --Jomegat (talk) 23:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
I like the idea, especially if someone goes to a Zoo or an aquarium, (Sports in school) etc, There are many honours that can be done in that one setting if one so chooses. It also bonuses on when you go to that setting and when you get home you find out another honor that could have been completed but now that you missed out it can be disappointing. --Ixoekea (talk) 01:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

HTML5video tag

Hey everyone,

The HTML5video tag no longer works. I have installed a new extension called Widgets along with a YouTube script that does the same thing (and with other scripts, we could do many other things as well). I've gone though the wiki and replaced all of the English language html5video tags, but I may have missed some. You can't just search for "HTML5video" because it's a tag, and the search results reveal nothing. :-/ So keep your eyes open for any strays I may have missed. The syntax for the widget is a bit easier:

{{#widget:YouTube|id=DWef69ItVrU}}

Where that random string following the id= is the youtube video id. In the HTML5video tag, the id is between the start and end tags:

<HTML5video blah blah blah>DWef69ItVrU</HTML5video>

Jaceil, I'm going to dump the Spanish edits in your lap. Sorry. --Jomegat (talk) 19:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice. I had meant to let you know about it a while back. I think I had been working on the Bats honor and realized that the tags no longer were functioning. I must have forgotten to tell you about it, though. I kind of figured, also, I would have to fix the Spanish counterparts... no worries, not too difficult. Any idea why the tags suddenly just went defunct? --w126jep (talk) 22:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I've been puzzling over that, but haven't come to any solid conclusions. I do know that the extension has been deprecated and archived at mediawiki, but the only way they could disable it on our setup is if it relied on something they were hosting. Not a whole lot to be gained by chasing that one though, so I just installed Widgets instead. --Jomegat (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Watch for Spam

I've re-enabled account creation on the wiki. I had disabled ~6months ago when we had a severe spam outbreak. It might come back. --Jomegat (talk) 20:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Overlay or Superimpose template?

I wanted to try to put a giant X or some other image over the patch images of the SAD honors. Something like Heavy red "x".png. This is so that the image is still observable to the user, but it will be completely obvious that the patch is not available through AdventSource. Is there some kind of template we can use that superimposes or overlays one image onto another? -- w126jep (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Maybe. I'm looking into it. this looks promising (the packed-overlay mode), but it would require that we place the image in a gallery. That might not be a problem, but it might make it harder to get it to look right. The feature is available on our current installation. --Jomegat (talk) 17:34, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
I've been fooling around with it in template:honor_desc2, but so far I've not found the correct syntax. Feel free to hack. --Jomegat (talk) 18:00, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
Found a template on WP. --Jomegat (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
Not available from AdventSource

Checking that the superimpose template can be used without an overlay (which would ease the coding)..

Not available from AdventSource
Very nice. Haven't had too much time to check it out, but idea would be to include it in the honor desc for whenever it picks up an SAD honor. That should deter people from thinking they can get it fom AdventSource. I would still like for them to be able to see the patch if they want to click on it and check it out, but default should be a giant X. --w126jep (talk) 22:21, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
I originally tried using the superimpose template but it didn't seem to work when I tried it. Maybe I was outting the text in wrong... --w126jep (talk) 22:24, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
I've got something coded up in template:honor desc2. I've munged the honor name and category in the examples below because I can't remember if using honor_desc2 affects the database or not. I wouldn't want to inject nonsense into the indices. --Jomegat (talk) 22:28, 20 September 2018 (EDT)


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It still needs work before it can go live. The image isn't centered, and the row height is too big in the non-AdventSource case. Feel free to hack on it. I'm done tonight! --Jomegat (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2018 (EDT)

So I uploaded an image I think would be appropriate and get the message across to superimpose. However, I cannot figure out how to center the image. I don't know what caused the alignment to change. Also, I don't know why it doesn't seem to work for the "East American Division" version. If the image can be centered, I think this would be ready to go live and set up for SAD honors and the like. --w126jep (talk) 16:55, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
Hah - there was an undocumented argument to set the alignment. I set it to "center" and it is now centered. The "East American Division" was a stand-in for the NAD, and since its insignia_source argument was blank, it does not superimpose the unavailability notice. That is, it was a test of the NAD case. It doesn't select that based on the division, but rather, based on the insignia_source. To make it go live, all we need to do it copy-paste honor_desc2 to honor_desc. --Jomegat (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
And... done!
It flags several SPD honors as not available. I don't know if that's correct or not, but I think it might be. --Jomegat (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
Brilliant! I think it looks great and will definitely get the message across. I had originally wanted it possible to click on the patch from the table and see the full image; this is still possible, it's just hard to find a spot to click because the superimposed image covers almost all the patch. It can still be done around the edges though, and I am ok with that. --w126jep (talk) 07:32, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

Regional & ADRA honors with superimpose template

The superimpose template flags the SPD honors, but that is accurate, as the ones we have correctly marked, like Australian Birds or Folk Art, are not really available at AdventSource either. This makes me think about the regional honors. Would it make sense to now include them in an indexed list on their own page, with the superimposed image? They still wouldn't be included in the main count. Also ADRA? --w126jep (talk) 07:32, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

Yes, I think that makes perfect sense. --Jomegat (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2018 (EDT)

Renaming of honors and categories in Spanish (please excuse the dust)

You will see me renaming in Spanish lots of honors and categories and trying to fix subsequent pages and things they are linked to. This is due to the General Conference having published the Honors Poster (which can be found at PathfindersOnline) and changing the name of many honors and categories. AdventSource decided to update their Spanish versions to coincide and match the GC names.

This makes it cumbersome and time-consuming to change everything here on the Wiki, but I also like uniformity. Some of the changes make sense but many of them I do not agree with. Either way, just please excuse the mess if you see broken links, unfinished translations or differing things. Also, just grammatically, Spanish does not capitalize all words in a phrase as a title, only the first word. So I am trying to fix that at the same time too. --w126jep (talk) 17:38, 2 January 2019 (EST)