Discuss AY Honor Antelopes - Advanced Answer Key

Can a person in North America get the honor patch? JadeDragon 02:22, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Requirement 7 is somewhat problematic, isn't it? There are not five species of wild antelope in North America. --Jomegat 07:26, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Break them out of the game farm? Just kidding. JadeDragon 22:41, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Prerequisite

I don't think it's valid to say that Antelopes is a prerequisite to Antelopes - Advanced. Just because it makes sense doesn't make it so. The requirements don't call it out, so I don't think we should add it as one. --Jomegat (talk) 22:15, 17 November 2014 (EST)

I can't find another example like this. How about we insert a problematic requirement? Since the advanced star is added to the basic patch, how you going to show you earned the advanced honor only? JadeDragon (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2014 (EST)

That sounds like the right way to deal with it. There is no way to show advanced sans basic in this case, but as I said, just because it makes sense doesn't mean we have license to change it. If we did, no honors would have problematic requirements. ;-) --Jomegat (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2014 (EST)

So is this the only Advanced honors that doesn't request the basic honor as its first requirement? --w126jep (talk) 23:11, 17 November 2014 (EST)

I thought I saw another one or two... JadeDragon (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2014 (EST)

these have the same issue - don't require basic as prereq:

Antelopes - Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outreach/Bible_Marking_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Nature/Cacti_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/ADRA/Disaster_Response_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Health_and_Science/First_Aid_-_Advanced definitely implied though.
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Geological_Geocaching_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Lifesaving_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Arts_and_Crafts/Paper_Quilling_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outreach/Puppetry_-_Advanced - not numbered so need to check original requirements
Some or all the swimming honors - but you can't pass red cross levels without getting the earlier levels or testing out
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Ultimate_Disc_-_Advanced
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Water_Safety_Instructor_-_Advanced

We should create a category for advanced honors not requiring the basis as a prerequisite. I could then present that to the NAD for action. A lot of them did not originate in the NAD (but some did), so the NAD would hafta forward that to the GC. BTW, These lists would be a lot easier to read if you used wiki links instead of web links. --Jomegat (talk) 14:28, 18 November 2014 (EST)

I was thinking use the problematic requirement template and just paste in a standard explanation in it at the top of each honor followed by the ay prereq template. We already provide the answers we feel are right to the other problematic requirements across the project. There is no one that will argue with linking the Advanced back to the Basic Honor at the beginning of the answers, or linking the basic to the advanced as a Sequel and in the header. These are all links of convenience not changes to the requirements.

I agree. It simply states "see also" not "followed by" or "next level". It would be more for convenience. --w126jep (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2014 (EST)

We should submit all the problematic honors together. Dixie Plata (on both NAD and GC Honor Comm) told me they are working to rationalize the GC vs NAD variations and fix any problematic requirements. She asked me to email the details to her, which I'll do when I think we have them all tagged. JadeDragon (talk) 17:19, 18 November 2014 (EST)

Sequential Honors not showing at Prereqs pages sequential box:

(need to check these later - hopefully resolved with addition of templates)

http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Vocational/Computer_(General_Conference) (Computers Advanced and Internet Advanced I think) and Advanced honor not showing in header.
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Arts_and_Crafts/Currency_-_Advanced_(Canada)
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Health_and_Science/First_Aid,_Basic (nor in the header)
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Health_and_Science/First_Aid,_Standard (nor in the header)
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Arts_and_Crafts/Music_(General_Conference)
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Arts_and_Crafts/Music_-_Advanced (South_Pacific_Division)
http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outreach/Peace_Maker

http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Nature/Stars_-_Advanced http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Outdoor_Leadership http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Hiking_-_Advanced

es pages showing in the sequential honors

I'm going to have to change honor_desc to take an optional argument for the advanced honor for cases like these where the honor name cannot be computed (can't insert " - Advanced" before the parenthetical portion. Not easy, but I'm sure it's doable. --Jomegat (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2014 (EST)

So then what is the difference between the Honor Prerequisite Template and the AY Prerequisite Template? If I remember correctly, the Honor Prerequisite Template was created because the AY Prerequisite Template wasn't helpful in the translation process. Does this have anything to do the sequential honors and how they are categorized? When do we use one instead of the other? --w126jep (talk) 15:01, 18 November 2014 (EST)

honor_prerequisite was intended to replace ay_prerequisite, but I don't remember what the difference was, or how far along I got with honor_prereq. For now, we should proably stick with ay_prereq. I'll coax the robot into doing the replacement when it's ready. I'll add that to my todo list. --Jomegat (talk) 15:18, 18 November 2014 (EST)

I just looked at every Advance Honor and hopefully every sequential honor. 95% of the honors use ay_prerequisite and I replaced the few that did not with ay_prerequisite. Hope that was correct. Sorry Jiabout all the links Jim, I was just accumulating them and have already deleted some where I resolved the problem. JadeDragon (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2014 (EST)