Talk:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Amphibians/Sandbox - Revision history

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	:For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the [[Template:Ansreq/Sandbox]], but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)		:For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the [[Template:Ansreq/Sandbox]], but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)

−	::I implemented the new [[Template:Ansreq\|AnsReq-Template]] and created the [[Template:CloseReq\|CloseReq-Template]] so. Just hit me with some feedback :D Sometime soon I will try to do the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Insects - Advanced]]. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2020 (EST)	+	::I implemented the new [[Template:Ansreq\|AnsReq-Template]] and created the [[Template:CloseReq\|CloseReq-Template]], also the Templates for the Subrequirements are finished, but for them I just included the normal once, for the moment, if we need a difference between them, we can change it as we need it. Just hit me with some feedback :D Sometime soon I will try to do the [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Insects - Advanced]]. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2020 (EST)

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 I'll have to think about reducing the boxes down to a single color.  That's how we did the requirements in the IA section, and I thought it looked pretty good (but I've already admitted to not being a layout expert).  I'll try to gather feedback from some of the users. If the prevailing consensus is to reduce, we'll reduce.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 23:40, 4 November 2020 (EST)
-::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.
+:Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.
-::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the [[Template:Ansreq/Sandbox]], but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)
+:For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the [[Template:Ansreq/Sandbox]], but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)

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	::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.		::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.
−	::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the Template:Ansreq/Sandbox, but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)	+	::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the [[Template:Ansreq/Sandbox]], but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)

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	::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.		::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.
−	::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the Template:Ansreq/Sandbox, but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it.	+	::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the Template:Ansreq/Sandbox, but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 05:34, 5 November 2020 (EST)

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	I'll have to think about reducing the boxes down to a single color. That's how we did the requirements in the IA section, and I thought it looked pretty good (but I've already admitted to not being a layout expert). I'll try to gather feedback from some of the users. If the prevailing consensus is to reduce, we'll reduce. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:40, 4 November 2020 (EST)		I'll have to think about reducing the boxes down to a single color. That's how we did the requirements in the IA section, and I thought it looked pretty good (but I've already admitted to not being a layout expert). I'll try to gather feedback from some of the users. If the prevailing consensus is to reduce, we'll reduce. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:40, 4 November 2020 (EST)
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		+	::Oh okay. I understand. For me the color is not the problem, that looks nice. But there are 3 headings and I think it would be nice to declutter it a bit. Is the heading in the box needed? Maybe it is possible to change the link in the "TOC"-Section to jump not to this heading but to the requirement box? I guess that would also look a bit cleaner.
		+	::For the answer text I guess I have an idea. It is possible to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements#With_custom_toggle_link change the text] of the link to open the box. The text could be for instance: "Show the answer"/"Hide the answer". I'm trying it out in the Template:Ansreq/Sandbox, but I'm struggeling with the unique ID for the toggle button and I will need to optimize the CSS more then it is now, but sadly I don't have enough time for that right now. Maybe some one has an idea how to implement it.

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	:::::::Sorry for the late reply. I am at the house of my parents in law and helping them with their work, there is much to do at the moment, but back to the topic. Thats a nice improvement. It really helps to navigate through the page. Great work. But I must say, that I am not that much of a fan of the boxes and the way the requirements are shown, because there is so much repetitions and so many headings and stuff. I guess if the boxes are wanted I would reduce the colored sections down to one and write it like that: "Requirement XX: ...." and I would remove the word "Answer" right before the heading. That way it would get much clearer and easier to read I think.		:::::::Sorry for the late reply. I am at the house of my parents in law and helping them with their work, there is much to do at the moment, but back to the topic. Thats a nice improvement. It really helps to navigate through the page. Great work. But I must say, that I am not that much of a fan of the boxes and the way the requirements are shown, because there is so much repetitions and so many headings and stuff. I guess if the boxes are wanted I would reduce the colored sections down to one and write it like that: "Requirement XX: ...." and I would remove the word "Answer" right before the heading. That way it would get much clearer and easier to read I think.
	:::::::Maybe you could have a look at the Sandbox2 and tell me what you think about it? If you like my approach and think it is worth talking about it, I would be glad to get some help of yours. The problem is described on its discussion page. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (EST)		:::::::Maybe you could have a look at the Sandbox2 and tell me what you think about it? If you like my approach and think it is worth talking about it, I would be glad to get some help of yours. The problem is described on its discussion page. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (EST)
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		+	Take a look at the Cats - Advanced honor, requirement 2c. This is very much an outlier in that the requirement includes a table. To get that into the requirements-only page, the table pretty much has to be part of the requirements page, and that will absolutely prevent it from being embedded in a header.
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		+	As for the "Answers" right before the heading, that's there so that when the answers are collapsed, it gives a clue as to what the "Expand" link does. If you are skilled in CSS, maybe you could create a new table class that says "Collapse Answers" or "Expand Answers" - that's definitely beyond my skills, but if it's something you could pull off, I think it would be a good solution. Or maybe you can think of a different way to address that problem.
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		+	I'll have to think about reducing the boxes down to a single color. That's how we did the requirements in the IA section, and I thought it looked pretty good (but I've already admitted to not being a layout expert). I'll try to gather feedback from some of the users. If the prevailing consensus is to reduce, we'll reduce. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:40, 4 November 2020 (EST)

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	::::I hope you do get an idea. I really wanted to preserve the headings for the requirements. But unless a way can be found to do that and still have the text of the requirements on a different page, it's a trade I think we have to make. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2020 (EDT)		::::I hope you do get an idea. I really wanted to preserve the headings for the requirements. But unless a way can be found to do that and still have the text of the requirements on a different page, it's a trade I think we have to make. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
	:::::Maybe I had an "Aha!" moment. I created two new templates to summarize the requirements but with links to the appropriate section in the answer key. I think it's an improvement. The "requirements" section pretty much reproduces the TOC, except that it only lists links to requirements and subrequirements, and not to "sub-answers". I might like this better than the original TOC. Let me know what you think. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 18:42, 30 October 2020 (EDT)		:::::Maybe I had an "Aha!" moment. I created two new templates to summarize the requirements but with links to the appropriate section in the answer key. I think it's an improvement. The "requirements" section pretty much reproduces the TOC, except that it only lists links to requirements and subrequirements, and not to "sub-answers". I might like this better than the original TOC. Let me know what you think. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 18:42, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
		+	:::::::Sorry for the late reply. I am at the house of my parents in law and helping them with their work, there is much to do at the moment, but back to the topic. Thats a nice improvement. It really helps to navigate through the page. Great work. But I must say, that I am not that much of a fan of the boxes and the way the requirements are shown, because there is so much repetitions and so many headings and stuff. I guess if the boxes are wanted I would reduce the colored sections down to one and write it like that: "Requirement XX: ...." and I would remove the word "Answer" right before the heading. That way it would get much clearer and easier to read I think.
		+	:::::::Maybe you could have a look at the Sandbox2 and tell me what you think about it? If you like my approach and think it is worth talking about it, I would be glad to get some help of yours. The problem is described on its discussion page. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (EST)

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	:::Okay. Thanks for the answer. Thats sad. Would have been great. Maybe I will have an idea. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 11:24, 30 October 2020 (EDT)		:::Okay. Thanks for the answer. Thats sad. Would have been great. Maybe I will have an idea. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 11:24, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
	::::I hope you do get an idea. I really wanted to preserve the headings for the requirements. But unless a way can be found to do that and still have the text of the requirements on a different page, it's a trade I think we have to make. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2020 (EDT)		::::I hope you do get an idea. I really wanted to preserve the headings for the requirements. But unless a way can be found to do that and still have the text of the requirements on a different page, it's a trade I think we have to make. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
		+	:::::Maybe I had an "Aha!" moment. I created two new templates to summarize the requirements but with links to the appropriate section in the answer key. I think it's an improvement. The "requirements" section pretty much reproduces the TOC, except that it only lists links to requirements and subrequirements, and not to "sub-answers". I might like this better than the original TOC. Let me know what you think. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 18:42, 30 October 2020 (EDT)

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	::The blue boxes make is super easy to scroll though the answers to the next requirement, and that got pretty good reviews from the team who requested these changes in the first place. They also requested a link to the printable requirements-only page, which I have provided, though that could certainly use some huge aesthetic improvements. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:27, 29 October 2020 (EDT)		::The blue boxes make is super easy to scroll though the answers to the next requirement, and that got pretty good reviews from the team who requested these changes in the first place. They also requested a link to the printable requirements-only page, which I have provided, though that could certainly use some huge aesthetic improvements. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:27, 29 October 2020 (EDT)
	:::Okay. Thanks for the answer. Thats sad. Would have been great. Maybe I will have an idea. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 11:24, 30 October 2020 (EDT)		:::Okay. Thanks for the answer. Thats sad. Would have been great. Maybe I will have an idea. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 11:24, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
		+	::::I hope you do get an idea. I really wanted to preserve the headings for the requirements. But unless a way can be found to do that and still have the text of the requirements on a different page, it's a trade I think we have to make. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2020 (EDT)

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	::I plan to remove the table of contents from the answer keys since their main function was to show the requirements, which we can do as in the original Sandbox rendition.		::I plan to remove the table of contents from the answer keys since their main function was to show the requirements, which we can do as in the original Sandbox rendition.
	::The blue boxes make is super easy to scroll though the answers to the next requirement, and that got pretty good reviews from the team who requested these changes in the first place. They also requested a link to the printable requirements-only page, which I have provided, though that could certainly use some huge aesthetic improvements. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:27, 29 October 2020 (EDT)		::The blue boxes make is super easy to scroll though the answers to the next requirement, and that got pretty good reviews from the team who requested these changes in the first place. They also requested a link to the printable requirements-only page, which I have provided, though that could certainly use some huge aesthetic improvements. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 19:27, 29 October 2020 (EDT)
		+	:::Okay. Thanks for the answer. Thats sad. Would have been great. Maybe I will have an idea. --[[User:DesignerThan\|DesignerThan]] ([[User talk:DesignerThan\|talk]]) 11:24, 30 October 2020 (EDT)