Template talk:Honor desc/es - Revision history

Jomegat: /* More changes */ new section

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More changes: new section

W126jep: /* Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch */

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Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch

Jomegat: /* Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch */

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Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch

W126jep: /* Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch */ new section

2015-07-07T02:57:20Z

Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch: new section

W126jep at 02:51, 6 July 2015

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W126jep at 02:47, 6 July 2015

2015-07-06T02:47:32Z

Jomegat: /* Linking to Advanced Honors */

2015-07-06T02:40:45Z

Linking to Advanced Honors

Jomegat: /* Linking to Advanced Honors */

2015-07-06T02:19:42Z

Linking to Advanced Honors

W126jep: /* Linking to Advanced Honors */

2015-07-06T02:13:54Z

Linking to Advanced Honors

Jomegat: /* Linking to Advanced Honors */

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Linking to Advanced Honors

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	:You need to specify the default case. In a switch statement, the cases look like a=b, which means, "in the case that the variable we're switching on is a, output b as the text." If you omit the a= part, that means, "in the case of none-of-the-above, output b". The default case will catch unspecified variables as well as mis-specified ones. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (EDT)		:You need to specify the default case. In a switch statement, the cases look like a=b, which means, "in the case that the variable we're switching on is a, output b as the text." If you omit the a= part, that means, "in the case of none-of-the-above, output b". The default case will catch unspecified variables as well as mis-specified ones. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
	::Awesome! That worked perfectly. I didn't know about the default case. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2015 (EDT)		::Awesome! That worked perfectly. I didn't know about the default case. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2015 (EDT)
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		+	== More changes ==
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		+	I've made two more changes to the English version of this template that we'll probably want to make here too. First, I've changed the table-of-contents/requirements to not be collapsed by default. That was done yesterday. I think we'll want to leave it that way until we can get the requirements pages integrated in. Second, I disabled the autonumbering this evening so the TOC doesn't get the section numbering added twice. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:36, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

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	:You need to specify the default case. In a switch statement, the cases look like a=b, which means, "in the case that the variable we're switching on is a, output b as the text." If you omit the a= part, that means, "in the case of none-of-the-above, output b". The default case will catch unspecified variables as well as mis-specified ones. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (EDT)		:You need to specify the default case. In a switch statement, the cases look like a=b, which means, "in the case that the variable we're switching on is a, output b as the text." If you omit the a= part, that means, "in the case of none-of-the-above, output b". The default case will catch unspecified variables as well as mis-specified ones. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
		+	::Awesome! That worked perfectly. I didn't know about the default case. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2015 (EDT)

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	Basically, if there is a skill argument, that will show up. What I'm not getting is what to do so it can redirect the page to the correct Category page when it is unknown. I put in a switch function so that it can switch to the English word and redirect it properly. The issue is I can't put the skill or year argument because there wouldn't be one. What can I put instead? A space? Is there another type of argument I'm supposed to use? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:57, 6 July 2015 (EDT)		Basically, if there is a skill argument, that will show up. What I'm not getting is what to do so it can redirect the page to the correct Category page when it is unknown. I put in a switch function so that it can switch to the English word and redirect it properly. The issue is I can't put the skill or year argument because there wouldn't be one. What can I put instead? A space? Is there another type of argument I'm supposed to use? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:57, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
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		+	:You need to specify the default case. In a switch statement, the cases look like a=b, which means, "in the case that the variable we're switching on is a, output b as the text." If you omit the a= part, that means, "in the case of none-of-the-above, output b". The default case will catch unspecified variables as well as mis-specified ones. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (EDT)

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	::I do think the extension you added is brilliant and I'm sure there is a way to use it, I just can't put my finger on it right now.--[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:47, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		::I do think the extension you added is brilliant and I'm sure there is a way to use it, I just can't put my finger on it right now.--[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:47, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
	::BTW, the correct names for the Computer honors in Spanish is with the - Advanced format. The Computer series from the SAD is the one that uses the Roman numerals -- I think there are five in that series; I haven't put them up yet. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		::BTW, the correct names for the Computer honors in Spanish is with the - Advanced format. The Computer series from the SAD is the one that uses the Roman numerals -- I think there are five in that series; I haven't put them up yet. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
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		+	== Empty Arguments or No Argument Switch ==
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		+	I am trying to understand what I can do for this to show up in the in the right Category page. I am looking specifically at this block of code:
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		+	<nowiki>[[Category:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Skill Level {{{skill\|{{#switch:{{{skill}}}
		+	\| Desconocido = Unknown
		+	}}}}}/es\|{{{sortkey\|{{{honorname}}}}}}]]</nowiki>
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		+	<br />
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		+	<nowiki>[[Category:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Honors Introduced in {{{year\|{{#switch:{{{year}}}
		+	\| Desconocido = Unknown
		+	}}}}}/es\|{{{sortkey\|{{{honorname}}}}}}]]</nowiki>
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		+	Basically, if there is a skill argument, that will show up. What I'm not getting is what to do so it can redirect the page to the correct Category page when it is unknown. I put in a switch function so that it can switch to the English word and redirect it properly. The issue is I can't put the skill or year argument because there wouldn't be one. What can I put instead? A space? Is there another type of argument I'm supposed to use? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:57, 6 July 2015 (EDT)

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	::I was thinking the same thing. We'll probably have to add an argument. If this is the case, then I don't think it would be a big deal because there are not many honors that have the Roman numerals. Just a few series in Spanish and I think only the camping series in English.		::I was thinking the same thing. We'll probably have to add an argument. If this is the case, then I don't think it would be a big deal because there are not many honors that have the Roman numerals. Just a few series in Spanish and I think only the camping series in English.
	::I do think the extension you added is brilliant and I'm sure there is a way to use it, I just can't put my finger on it right now.--[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:47, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		::I do think the extension you added is brilliant and I'm sure there is a way to use it, I just can't put my finger on it right now.--[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:47, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
		+	::BTW, the correct names for the Computer honors in Spanish is with the - Advanced format. The Computer series from the SAD is the one that uses the Roman numerals -- I think there are five in that series; I haven't put them up yet. --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

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	ifexist won't work because it works on the pagename, not on the honorname. The pagename is AYHAB/Category/Honor/es, and you can think of it as the document's file name. If we need to support a mix of «avanzado» and Roman numerals, I'll need to think about it a bit more. We should change Honor desc/es back to the way it was until then. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:19, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		ifexist won't work because it works on the pagename, not on the honorname. The pagename is AYHAB/Category/Honor/es, and you can think of it as the document's file name. If we need to support a mix of «avanzado» and Roman numerals, I'll need to think about it a bit more. We should change Honor desc/es back to the way it was until then. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:19, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
	:To support sequences with more than two honors we're going to need an entirely different approach. We can't just look for Honor - Advanced. We will need to add an argument to the Honor desc template that let's us ''tell'' it what the next honor is, as well as its name. The default can be for it to work the old way, but if the argument is specified, it won't concoct a pagename/link - it will straight-up use the argument ''as'' the pagename/link (and another as the name). --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:40, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		:To support sequences with more than two honors we're going to need an entirely different approach. We can't just look for Honor - Advanced. We will need to add an argument to the Honor desc template that let's us ''tell'' it what the next honor is, as well as its name. The default can be for it to work the old way, but if the argument is specified, it won't concoct a pagename/link - it will straight-up use the argument ''as'' the pagename/link (and another as the name). --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:40, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
		+	::I was thinking the same thing. We'll probably have to add an argument. If this is the case, then I don't think it would be a big deal because there are not many honors that have the Roman numerals. Just a few series in Spanish and I think only the camping series in English.
		+	::I do think the extension you added is brilliant and I'm sure there is a way to use it, I just can't put my finger on it right now.--[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:47, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

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	ifexist won't work because it works on the pagename, not on the honorname. The pagename is AYHAB/Category/Honor/es, and you can think of it as the document's file name. If we need to support a mix of «avanzado» and Roman numerals, I'll need to think about it a bit more. We should change Honor desc/es back to the way it was until then. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:19, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		ifexist won't work because it works on the pagename, not on the honorname. The pagename is AYHAB/Category/Honor/es, and you can think of it as the document's file name. If we need to support a mix of «avanzado» and Roman numerals, I'll need to think about it a bit more. We should change Honor desc/es back to the way it was until then. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:19, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
		+	:To support sequences with more than two honors we're going to need an entirely different approach. We can't just look for Honor - Advanced. We will need to add an argument to the Honor desc template that let's us ''tell'' it what the next honor is, as well as its name. The default can be for it to work the old way, but if the argument is specified, it won't concoct a pagename/link - it will straight-up use the argument ''as'' the pagename/link (and another as the name). --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:40, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

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	::::We cannot put Roman numerals on all the basic levels for the same reason they cannot be put on their English version: it does not correspond to the correct name. I reverted the edit for the Roman numerals because there are many more honors that have the advanced name in it than there are Roman numerals and I do not feel comfortable changing the name of all the basic levels just yet.		::::We cannot put Roman numerals on all the basic levels for the same reason they cannot be put on their English version: it does not correspond to the correct name. I reverted the edit for the Roman numerals because there are many more honors that have the advanced name in it than there are Roman numerals and I do not feel comfortable changing the name of all the basic levels just yet.
	::::There must be a way to keep the «avanzado» name and switch to the Roman numeral when appropriate. Kind of like a function that says «if exists, do this, unless this exists, then do this». Would it work to put another ifexist template inside and include the Roman numeral template? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:13, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		::::There must be a way to keep the «avanzado» name and switch to the Roman numeral when appropriate. Kind of like a function that says «if exists, do this, unless this exists, then do this». Would it work to put another ifexist template inside and include the Roman numeral template? --[[User:W126jep\|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep\|talk]]) 22:13, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
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		+	ifexist won't work because it works on the pagename, not on the honorname. The pagename is AYHAB/Category/Honor/es, and you can think of it as the document's file name. If we need to support a mix of «avanzado» and Roman numerals, I'll need to think about it a bit more. We should change Honor desc/es back to the way it was until then. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 22:19, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

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 :Thanks for bringing it up again - I had forgotten!  There are a couple of extensions I can install to help with this, but it is still a very challenging problem.  The first handles regular expressions (which is a very powerful matching/find/replace construct used in a ''lot'' of places in the computing industry).  The second is a roman numeral extension which is not nearly as helpful as one might wish, since it only supports one-way conversions (arabic to roman).  If it supported both, it'd be a lot simpler, as adding one with arabic numerals is substantially easier than with the roman counterparts.  That precludes the "convert-to-arabic, add one, convert back" approach. I might skip that all together and try to just do it with regex and case statements.  To make it easier, I will limit roman numerals to 0-9.  Not sure when I can get to it or how long it will take once I start.  We'll see! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:38, 3 July 2015 (EDT)
 ::Great! We'll see which extension works better then. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 11:08, 3 July 2015 (EDT)
-:::I have installed the extension, and have proven to myself that this can be done - but now I'm having secind thoughts about whether that is going to fix the underlying problem.   The pagename will still be "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced/es" because it is a translation of "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced".  The page title already gets translated, so that should include the Roman numeral rather than the "Advanced".  The template is checking that the page exists, and to do that, I would check the pagename, not the page title.  So all of that ''should'' still work.  If it does not, I am not convinced that detecting the next Roman numeral is going to fix it.  Can you point me to a page where this is a problem? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:23, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
+:::I have installed the extension, and have proven to myself that this can be done - but now I'm having second thoughts about whether that is going to fix the underlying problem. The pagename will still be "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced/es" because it is a translation of "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced". The page title already gets translated, so that should include the Roman numeral rather than the "Advanced". The template is checking that the page exists, and to do that, I would check the pagename, not the page title. So all of that ''should'' still work. If it does not, I am not convinced that detecting the next Roman numeral is going to fix it. Can you point me to a page where this is a problem? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:23, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
-::::OK, I see that I do have some work ahead of me for that.  It will find the link to the page, but right now it uses that link as the page title.  I can fix that. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
+::::OK, I see that I do have some work ahead of me for that. It will find the link to the page, but right now it uses that link as the page title.  I can fix that. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
-:::::I tried it on Computers.  You'll have to change the honorname argument on all the basic honors to "Honor I" for it to work, but I think that's OK?  The code looks for a name ending with a Roman numeral and increments it.  It should work until level VIII->IX, but that should be sufficient! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:57, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
+:::::I tried it on Computers. You'll have to change the honorname argument on all the basic honors to "Honor I" for it to work, but I think that's OK?  The code looks for a name ending with a Roman numeral and increments it. It should work until level VIII->IX, but that should be sufficient! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 10:57, 5 July 2015 (EDT)

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	:::I have installed the extension, and have proven to myself that this can be done - but now I'm having secind thoughts about whether that is going to fix the underlying problem. The pagename will still be "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced/es" because it is a translation of "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced". The page title already gets translated, so that should include the Roman numeral rather than the "Advanced". The template is checking that the page exists, and to do that, I would check the pagename, not the page title. So all of that ''should'' still work. If it does not, I am not convinced that detecting the next Roman numeral is going to fix it. Can you point me to a page where this is a problem? --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 10:23, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		:::I have installed the extension, and have proven to myself that this can be done - but now I'm having secind thoughts about whether that is going to fix the underlying problem. The pagename will still be "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced/es" because it is a translation of "AYHAB/Category/Name - Advanced". The page title already gets translated, so that should include the Roman numeral rather than the "Advanced". The template is checking that the page exists, and to do that, I would check the pagename, not the page title. So all of that ''should'' still work. If it does not, I am not convinced that detecting the next Roman numeral is going to fix it. Can you point me to a page where this is a problem? --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 10:23, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
	::::OK, I see that I do have some work ahead of me for that. It will find the link to the page, but right now it uses that link as the page title. I can fix that. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 10:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)		::::OK, I see that I do have some work ahead of me for that. It will find the link to the page, but right now it uses that link as the page title. I can fix that. --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 10:51, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
		+	:::::I tried it on Computers. You'll have to change the honorname argument on all the basic honors to "Honor I" for it to work, but I think that's OK? The code looks for a name ending with a Roman numeral and increments it. It should work until level VIII->IX, but that should be sufficient! --[[User:Jomegat\|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat\|talk]]) 10:57, 5 July 2015 (EDT)