Template talk:Honor desc/es

Linking to Advanced Honors

So I'm trying to figure out what to do with Advanced Honor names in Spanish. In Spanish, there are a few honors that belong to a series and the names for the advanced levels are replaced by roman numerals, much like the Camping Skills series. These include the Swimming honors (Natación I-V) and the First Aid Honors (Primeros Auxilios I-II). In the honor_desc template below the category where it says «See also» and then it gives a link to the advanced level, I would like it to display the same in Spanish, but the Spanish name for the advanced level is a roman numeral, instead of «Honor» - Advanced.

The template does not catch it and does not make the link. Ideally, each would link to the next level (Camping Skills I to II, II to III and so on). Any ideas how to go about this? --w126jep (talk) 17:53, 17 November 2014 (EST)

This would also be good to do for the English versions too, like the Camping Skills series. --w126jep (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2014 (EST)

Working on it. What honors have you translated that have an advanced? --Jomegat (talk) 19:18, 17 November 2014 (EST)

OK, I found that Backpacking has an advanced, and that you have translated that. But the link does work and goes to the right place. As for the Camping Skills, First Aid, and Swimming honors, those aren't quite the same as "advanced" honors because they do not require the previous honor as a prerequisite. I'm not saying "no", but I am saying that computing the name of the next honor in a roman numeral series will require some... creativity. --Jomegat (talk) 19:25, 17 November 2014 (EST)

Well, I just came across this issue while working on translating the some of these. The honors with «Avanzado» in their title is not a problem. It is the honors that have Roman numerals, where in English their title is «Advanced», that I'm trying to figure out how to link. It is true, though, that many of them are not really prerequisites of each other (such as the Camping Skills series), but in Spanish, it is the way they were named. -- w126jep (talk) 19:38, 17 November 2014 (EST)

If you can cite an example, I'd be glad to look at it. --Jomegat (talk) 19:56, 17 November 2014 (EST)

Well, I haven't gotten to the translations yet, but one example is the Computers honor. In English it is Computers and Computers Advanced. In Spanish it is Computación I and II. The same with Communications. Bookbinding and Accounting are actually titled Contabilidad I and II. The new SAD honors Math Skills and their Computers series all have I-V. -- w126jep (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2014 (EST)

If Math Skills IV requires Math Skills III as a prerequisite, then we will have a problem. For the others, the template should work as is (as demonstrated by Backpacking and Adv for Christ). I've been experimenting with honor_desc/es2, but I can tell you that linking to a roman numeral successor has proved to be quite challenging, even if the name of the next honor is supplied by a human as one of the arguments. I'll pick it up again in the future (but might need a reminder). --Jomegat (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2014 (EST)

The SAD Math Skills honors are indeed prerequisites of each other. As are their Computer Skills series. It is quite the challenge, I'll keep pondering also and see if I can come up with anything. -- w126jep (talk) 21:21, 17 November 2014 (EST)

I don't think Camping Skills II requires I because it is required for IA and what do you do with the kid that missed Friend? There are a few of the newer Advanced honors that do not specifically require the basic honor but clearly it is expected as you need the basic honor patch for the advanced star. Some other honors are in series without using Advanced, I think of the Wilderness Leadership Honor which is several levels away from basic honors.

I am planning to check every Advanced honor to be sure it correctly links back with the prereq template. JadeDragon (talk) 21:30, 17 November 2014 (EST)

You are correct in that the Camping Skills series are not prerequisites of each other. Therefore, they are not really priority. But there are some honors that in English are titled (honor) and (honor - advanced), such as Computers, where they are prerequisites but their Spanish counterparts were named differently, using Roman numerals. I don't know exactly why the original translators decided to do that with the names, but it's the way things are. --w126jep (talk) 21:36, 17 November 2014 (EST)

SPD is also using the I, II system but we just ignored those names and stuck with the GC system. Can ya do that? The http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Recreation/Abseiling series has a similar issue - Advanced should really link up to Instructor level in the honor box, although technically you can become an instructor without doing the advanced level. JadeDragon (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2014 (EST)

The SPD naming system can be ignored because there exists other variations in the same language and this site is specifically for NAD. In Spanish, however, these are indeed their official names. It also goes back to the issue of the NAD not wanting anything changed from their requirements, which probably includes the honor names as well. I have not heard from them yet on what they'd like to do with the Spanish versions, and I know that they can take a loooooong time to respond.

What about using the Honor Sequels template in Spanish? It is supposed to cover the Advanced and any other sequential honor anyway. Not sure how it is controlled though. I just found Antelopes does not show Antelopes - Advanced in the Sequels box? Maybe we could set the words Honor Sequels bigger and bolder too. JadeDragon (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2014 (EST)

This was of the issues we addressed on my user talk page, that has to do with the See Also template found inside the Honor_Desc template. It's another problematic translation we're trying to find a solution for. -- w126jep (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2014 (EST)

Ideally, though, the See Also template could be a fix, if figured out how to make it work. --w126jep (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2014 (EST)