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===<i>'''[[Pathfinder Wiki:Community portal/archive|ARCHIVES]]'''</i>===
  
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== Template Brackets and Translation ==
 
  
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Just for future reference, please, whenever including a template that has information that spans more than a paragraph, please do one of the following: either keep it all together with no spaces between paragraphs or include the opening and closing brackets in their own line. For example:<br /><br />
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== Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers Update and Updated Honors Workbook ==
  
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I ask this because when attempting to translate, if there is a break anywhere between the opening and closing brackets, the software will divide each of these separations into translatable chunks. When this happens, the software does not recognize that the template should all go together and be seen as one unit. I then cannot properly translate these chunks because the translation software will not save the translation, thinking there is an error.<br /><br />I have had to go in every once in a while and edit the text to either separate or put together the template brackets so that I might be able to properly save the translation. If it sounds confusing, just let me know and I will try to explain it better. Thanks!<br /><br /> --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 07:51, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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:Can you provide a link to an edit diff that shows what you did to fix one?  That would be the easiest way to explain it. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:36, 16 December 2015 (EST)
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1) I have 2 honors workbook, one from 2000 (or so) and one from 2014. However, there have been some new honors added since 2014 (i.e. Mobile Technology honor, in 2016). Is there an updated honor workbook coming to include the newer honors from 2014 onward, such as the Mobile Technology honor (and others)?
  
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::[http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Species_Account/Somniosus_microcephalus&diff=prev&oldid=178702 Here] is an example of an edit I did, separating the opening and closing brackets into their own lines. Before I made the edit, the chunks marked to translate were separated into two; the chunk before "|range" and the chunk after it. These are parts, though, of the same template. For some odd reason, the software will not save the translation chunk if it is missing a pair of brackets. I have to edit it so that the brackets are either on their own separate lines (thereby making each pair of brackets their own translatable chunk) or eliminate any spaces between paragraphs so that the chunk includes both pairs of brackets. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 21:56, 17 December 2015 (EST)
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2) The current Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers website isn't updated to reflect a lot of the newer honors, even the 2014 Honors book. Will the Wikibooks website be updated anytime soon?
  
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== Year 2016 ==
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If we are to broaden our young people's minds and help them grow, us leaders to keep up with the pace and bring everything up-to-date.
  
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New Year! New blessings! Let's make 2016 one of the best years and have this Wiki up to 100% before 2017! [[User:RABaker96|RABaker96]] already has us started off with awesome contributions to the Sand honor! Nicely done! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 18:19, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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Thanks for the reply!
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:Your note spurred me to add the answers to [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Nature/Water Science|Water Science]] & Advanced using the material submitted to the NAD when the honor was proposed. I've got material for all the 2015 honors if anyone else wants to make use of it for adding answers to other honors.  Drop me a note and I'll send it to you.  --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 22:31, 1 January 2016 (EST)
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~ Kris
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::That's great! Let's keep going and see if we can get others on board! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 16:37, 2 January 2016 (EST)
 
  
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== Retired Insignia Page ==
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:Hi Kris and welcome to the Wiki! Great questions. Here are my responses, you might get other responses from others too:
  
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I have been wanting to create [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Retired_Insignia|this page]] for a long time, as previously discussed in another thread. I finally decided to go ahead and just get it started and see where it goes from there. I'm not sure where a link to it would belong, so I haven't put one up yet. My hope is that it will also be a page with useful information for the Adventist Youth Ministries Museum that Dixie Plata and others are collaborating on.
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:1) The two workbooks you have, are they from the General Conference or from Advent''Source''? I ask because the GC Honors has not been updated since their last 2014 edition. However, Advent''Source'' prints material specifically for the North American Division and usually has their material up to date, according to the NAD. I would not know when the GC plans to update their material, especially since Andrés Peralta took over as the new world leader for clubs and is still trying to learn as much as he can. Many times the GC & NAD requirements can differ, so that might also be a discrepancy you also see; this wouldn't necessarily mean one is outdated, only that different versions exist according to their region.
  
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I still have some more patches around that I want to put up and I know that there are people out there who could definitely contribute too! If you're one of them, upload those images! If anyone has any ideas on how to improve the look, style, formatting, wording, etc., be my guest. I just wanted to get this thing going. [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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:2) This Wiki Answer Book is actually the most updated honors resource in the world. It is comprised of volunteers within the Pathfinder community who are constantly updating the content and keeping it to the day. If you are referring to the previous [https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book Wikibooks] version, that is the old site and is no longer maintained. There is a message on the front page stating that it was moved to this Wiki.
  
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:This is a nice addition! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:30, 30 January 2016 (EST)
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:I hope that helps clarify some things for you. If you still have some doubts, express them here and myself and others will answer to the best of our knowledge! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:58, 26 May 2019 (EDT)
  
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::Where would a link to this page be most suitable? We need community members to upload outdated images, but if they can't get to this page, it will not happen. [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 12:42, 3 February 2016 (EST)
 
  
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:::Maybe on the main Honor index page.  I've been thinking that we might want to drop the huge image of the key-hand-off from there.  I like the image, and it was developed as the AYHAB book cover.  But online, do we really need a cover?  We could also leave it there but reduce it in size substantially. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2016 (EST)
 
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== Additional Information? ==
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== E-Honors ==
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A couple questions here. I know some of them would take quite a while before they could even be started on. but its a thought.
 
  
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What about possibly creating a link to Other information. Ie: Ay Story, Pathfinder Manual, The Happy Path, Church Heritage etc? and maybe possibly adding on Pathfinder/Master Guide Leadership training courses(The Power points)?
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It's been awhile since I have been on here. I noticed many conferences are setting up Online Pathfinder honors (Video/Slideshow) Some require registration and others are being uploaded on youtube, vimeo or other websites. I was wondering what would be the best option to have this linked into a list? Where Pathfinders can watch the video's with the registration link to the conference or something. I would love to talk more on this idea via e-mail or messenger or something else to brainstorm.
  
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Is there a page set up for Adventurer's honours and the Investiture for them?
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This is currently what is available online coming up.
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[https://kvisit.com/qwI/nvuuAQ Pathfinder Calendar]
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--[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 22:19, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
  
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Is it possible to incorporate the honours into a Powerpoint slide presentation that could be available for some clubs to use as a guide for teaching the honours?
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:We've noticed this too, and we're exploring possibilities. If you look in [[User:Jomegat/Do at home]] we have a list we're building of honors that can be done at home. That index is in my user space right now because it's not ready for prime-time. We might feature the index on the main page, or we might create a dedicated page for it. I'd love to hear any ideas you have - you can just put ideas on this page if you want, or even prototype something in your own user space and we could discuss it there.. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
  
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[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 03:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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:: What I'm wondering is I currently have a facebook group active but the amount of Honor's being videoed by different conferences is starting to become a lot. Like 3 conferences have done Peacemaking, 2 have done firesafety. There is about 20 so far in video's, with this pandemic going for awhile. I could see more and more conferences designing new video's. I know our conference is talking about it. What I am wondering is should these video's be merged into here somehow or would it be best to come up with another site all on Teaching (video's, powerpoint, etc) The video's do have registration links to the conference main site. Maybe link those video's back to here for the honor answer book. I'm just trying to figure out something to merge it all together. I'm open to any suggestions. The Calendar has been the best idea yet for whats coming. But I'm still kinda lost on a video database for the honors. I am thinking of a streaming setup for the videos. Just not sure where to start.
  
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:All of those are excellent ideas, but we would need to get permission from the copyright holders to add that material here (though if you already know where it exists online, we could certainly add a link to that).  There is an Adventurers project over on Wikibooks (which is where this started before the NAD adopted us).  It would be nice if they would come over here as well.  I have invited them at the NAD level, and though they seemed interested, that's as far as it went.  I'll bring it up again in January during the annual meeting, and see if they are interested in having the person who did the work on Wikibooks move that work over here.
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--[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 22:22, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
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:There is nothing stopping anyone from creating Powerpoints and uploading them here.  If you click on the "Upload file" link in the left panel, you will see that ppt is an acceptable file type.  Then you can add it to a page the same way you'd add an image <nowiki>[[File:filename.ppt]]</nowiki>.  I've thought about doing that myself several times, but my ppt's always look like they were made by a ppt novice (which is in fact, quite true!)
 
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:Another concept I've been playing with is making videos.  We can already embed youtube videos here, but more than that, we can upload them here as well. 
 
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:Thanks for sharing your ideas!  This is how we get better. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 
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::Welcome to the Wiki, [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]]! Excited to have you help us collaborating. I think [[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] already did a good job of answering your questions. I just wanted to mention about the Leadership Training PowerPoints.
 
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::I myself have been an instructor at Leadership Training in a few different conferences. I always have to tweak or change my presentations when presenting in different conferences, because much of the material can be region-specific. For example, I was teaching in one conference the rules of competing in a marching competition. In this certain conference, only Pathfinders or TLTs could be the drill instructors and participate in marching competitions. Yet in another conference where I taught the same thing, their conference allowed adults, directors, and Master Guides to be instructors and participate. Different conferences also have to adhere to different laws according to their region, thus trainings on rules for child abuse, background checks, etc. will vary as well.
 
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::If you look at the new AYMT material provided by the NAD (here is the link: [http://www.pathfindersonline.org/leaders/aymt-training AYMT Training]), their seminar descriptions just give a broad summary of what should be covered in that particular seminar. This was done on purpose so that local leaders can adapt material to suit the needs of their local clubs and churches.
 
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::Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we technically ''could'' put up training seminars, but the NAD is so vast and diverse that it probably wouldn't really assist anyone in actually learning the material they need to know. For example, a training seminar from British Columbia on how to camp during the winter months would probably not really benefit a club from Miami, Florida! This is why each conference is supposed to hold Leadership Conventions or similar at least once a year.
 
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::Blessings and again, welcome! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 21:35, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 
  
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Thanks for the welcome [[User:W126jep|W126jep]] and thanks for clarifying on the AYMT material! :)
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== Online Honor Videos ==
  
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== The Other Category ==
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With the expansion of the wiki to include MG, silver & gold awards, and the pastor's pin (et al), it would be better if we created a new template rather than use the honor_desc (which stands for honor descriptor) template. I haven't noticed any problems yet, but all the indices are built now by extracting information from honor_desc.  In other words, we don't add things to the indices - they get added automatically when a page uses the honor_desc template.  This means there's a good chance we could add non-honors to the indices by accident.  I think setting the category to "Other" has prevented this so far, but I'd rather not stress the structure by adding things to it that it was not intended to support.  By using a new template, we could also change the color scheme (and layout) so that people won't think that the pastor's pin or MG are just different honors.  The template is already complicated enough, so I really don't want to adjust it to accommodate a new type of page. Thoughts? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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My name is Pr Phil Yates from the Greater Sydney Conference (where I am one of the Youth Director and Pathfinder Director for the conference). I am so appreciative for THIS Pathfinder Website, it has helped and continues to help all of use Pathfinder Leaders down under in Australia and New Zealand.  
  
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:I was thinking that last night. I just wasn't quite sure how to create the template. Colour scheme we could go with grey. Its a pretty neutral colour. We really don't need the date of when it was created unless your using it for trivial. I think all of these are approved by the GC, unless there are other awards in other countries. But we could expand that category by quite a bit. There is the TLT, AYMT, BST program we could put the requirements on. Even Scribe and Captain pins could be put into the category. I find the structure of the honours a lot easyier to read than the Retired Honour Table. Could we throw the Oshkosh pins and badges in here or would they be going into retired badges? There is no need of skill level for these.
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I have started Online honors for the Australian Union Conference and am presenting honors for the British Union Conference due to this COVID-19 lockdown everywhere - below is the YouTube Channel.  
  
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:If we really wanted to really expand the categories. We could do a category for Camporee Patches within conferences. But that might be a little to excessive! It would have to be seperated by state/provincial and adding year to it. [[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 20:55, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQLzp8Fp2QbMXY8keb5rrYg?view_as=subscriber
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Along with this I do a worksheet and Certificate, once the Pathfinders have show evidence of completion.
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We have found that a lot of clubs across Australia are using it in there Pathfinder Zoom Meeting and Pathfinders are doing the Honors in there spare time.
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This channel is still in its infancy as I have only completed 5 honors - I am planning to release an honor every week.
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What I have done so far has received great feedback.
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Below is the dropbox with the sample worksheet and certificate.
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0marrqlhy2emf8b/AACuCNbWy5kUyQ11S6jmUCCGa?dl=0
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I would be interested in you feedback.
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I would also be keen to help you all as much as I can.  
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Blessings to all
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Phil

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Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers Update and Updated Honors Workbook

Hello all,

2 questions:

1) I have 2 honors workbook, one from 2000 (or so) and one from 2014. However, there have been some new honors added since 2014 (i.e. Mobile Technology honor, in 2016). Is there an updated honor workbook coming to include the newer honors from 2014 onward, such as the Mobile Technology honor (and others)?

2) The current Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers website isn't updated to reflect a lot of the newer honors, even the 2014 Honors book. Will the Wikibooks website be updated anytime soon?

If we are to broaden our young people's minds and help them grow, us leaders to keep up with the pace and bring everything up-to-date.

Thanks for the reply! ~ Kris

Hi Kris and welcome to the Wiki! Great questions. Here are my responses, you might get other responses from others too:
1) The two workbooks you have, are they from the General Conference or from AdventSource? I ask because the GC Honors has not been updated since their last 2014 edition. However, AdventSource prints material specifically for the North American Division and usually has their material up to date, according to the NAD. I would not know when the GC plans to update their material, especially since Andrés Peralta took over as the new world leader for clubs and is still trying to learn as much as he can. Many times the GC & NAD requirements can differ, so that might also be a discrepancy you also see; this wouldn't necessarily mean one is outdated, only that different versions exist according to their region.
2) This Wiki Answer Book is actually the most updated honors resource in the world. It is comprised of volunteers within the Pathfinder community who are constantly updating the content and keeping it to the day. If you are referring to the previous Wikibooks version, that is the old site and is no longer maintained. There is a message on the front page stating that it was moved to this Wiki.
I hope that helps clarify some things for you. If you still have some doubts, express them here and myself and others will answer to the best of our knowledge! --w126jep (talk) 00:58, 26 May 2019 (EDT)


E-Honors

Hi there, It's been awhile since I have been on here. I noticed many conferences are setting up Online Pathfinder honors (Video/Slideshow) Some require registration and others are being uploaded on youtube, vimeo or other websites. I was wondering what would be the best option to have this linked into a list? Where Pathfinders can watch the video's with the registration link to the conference or something. I would love to talk more on this idea via e-mail or messenger or something else to brainstorm.

This is currently what is available online coming up. Pathfinder Calendar --Ixoekea (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2020 (EDT)

We've noticed this too, and we're exploring possibilities. If you look in User:Jomegat/Do at home we have a list we're building of honors that can be done at home. That index is in my user space right now because it's not ready for prime-time. We might feature the index on the main page, or we might create a dedicated page for it. I'd love to hear any ideas you have - you can just put ideas on this page if you want, or even prototype something in your own user space and we could discuss it there.. --Jomegat (talk) 16:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT)
What I'm wondering is I currently have a facebook group active but the amount of Honor's being videoed by different conferences is starting to become a lot. Like 3 conferences have done Peacemaking, 2 have done firesafety. There is about 20 so far in video's, with this pandemic going for awhile. I could see more and more conferences designing new video's. I know our conference is talking about it. What I am wondering is should these video's be merged into here somehow or would it be best to come up with another site all on Teaching (video's, powerpoint, etc) The video's do have registration links to the conference main site. Maybe link those video's back to here for the honor answer book. I'm just trying to figure out something to merge it all together. I'm open to any suggestions. The Calendar has been the best idea yet for whats coming. But I'm still kinda lost on a video database for the honors. I am thinking of a streaming setup for the videos. Just not sure where to start.

--Ixoekea (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

Online Honor Videos

Hi all,

My name is Pr Phil Yates from the Greater Sydney Conference (where I am one of the Youth Director and Pathfinder Director for the conference). I am so appreciative for THIS Pathfinder Website, it has helped and continues to help all of use Pathfinder Leaders down under in Australia and New Zealand.

I have started Online honors for the Australian Union Conference and am presenting honors for the British Union Conference due to this COVID-19 lockdown everywhere - below is the YouTube Channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQLzp8Fp2QbMXY8keb5rrYg?view_as=subscriber

Along with this I do a worksheet and Certificate, once the Pathfinders have show evidence of completion. We have found that a lot of clubs across Australia are using it in there Pathfinder Zoom Meeting and Pathfinders are doing the Honors in there spare time.

This channel is still in its infancy as I have only completed 5 honors - I am planning to release an honor every week. What I have done so far has received great feedback.

Below is the dropbox with the sample worksheet and certificate. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0marrqlhy2emf8b/AACuCNbWy5kUyQ11S6jmUCCGa?dl=0

I would be interested in you feedback.

I would also be keen to help you all as much as I can.

Blessings to all Phil

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