Talk:Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Regional

Is the reason for putting obsolete because we want to push for NAD requirements as priority? What should we put for examples like Table Tennis, Backpacking - Advanced and Volleyball? While these are not in the NAD, SAD and Ukraine and Interamerican all have their own versions of these honors. Which versions would we put as obsolete? Or is that only for when there is a GC or NAD version? --w126jep 13:54, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

I see this as a resource for the whole wide world. Many honors get piloted at Conf or Div level and are then adopted by SPD, NAD or GC etc, often with somewhat different more global requirements. Palms for example, created in Fiji, adopted by SPD, adopted by GC with modified requirements each time. These honors are interesting for a bunch of reasons. I might want to earn them, pilot them in another region, adopt them in another division etc and this wiki can help them become more accessible.

My thinking is that a regional honor is obsolete when it is adopted by a higher level that includes that region - so when NAD adopts Adventist Heritage after FL pilots the honor, the FL requirements go obsolete and the lower level likely stops producing the patch.

The other direction is that (mostly) SPD and (sometimes) NAD create Div specific requirements of a GC honor. This is just annoying but we do address some of these with disambig pages because they cover whole divisions, and we want to serve the whole world.

But when we have a local conf (not a Div) that creates a modified version of a long standing GC honor (backpacking), that is of little interest to the rest of the world. Why would I, in Canada, want to pursue Ukrainian backpacking when there is a GC honor for the same subject? At best the modified version might influence changes to the official requirements someday, which we would pickup. Maybe obsolete is not the best word for that? As far as I know the Ukraine is the only place with this situation and they already have their own wiki, so why would we bother with the regional variation?

Just the way I'm sorting stuff in my mind. There may be other ways of looking at this. JadeDragon 17:41, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

I understand your point of view and I mostly agree. But I'm not asking about that. Take for example Volleyball; Ukraine and SAD each have a version of this honor, yet it does not exist in the NAD or the GC. If we put up both versions of the requirements, should we put an obsolete tag on the lower-level version? Or should that tag be put only on lower-level versions if the requirements exist at GC level?

I also don't feel as if "obsolete" might be the appropriate word. It has a sense of destroyed or irrelevant. These honors have relevance to those in their respective conferences. Maybe something like "duplicate" or "has higher-level requirements". I'm not sure but I would prefer a different word.

I'm also thinking for those who are collectionists. There are many who just like the idea of having the different patches on their sash or collection and would like to be able to to complete the specific requirements for that regional honor. Just thinking aloud. --w126jep (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Interesting points. In the volleyball example the two regions are not related, so two different honors, neither is obsolete. In the Adventist Heritage example I would think FL would be happy that an honor they pioneered got picked up by the NAD. If you don't like "obsolete" how about "adopted more widely". Interesting point about collectors. JadeDragon (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

What will happen if the NAD decides to adopt Volleyball sometime in the future? Will the SAD and Ukrainian versions become obsolete?

Something along the lines of "more widely adopted" sounds good. Preferably one word though to describe it. --w126jep (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2014 (EDT)

No I think that we would post the NAD version to, because NAD is not over SAD or Ukraine and put them on a disambig page. Makes my head hurt. JadeDragon (talk) 21:52, 26 September 2014 (EDT)

I changed the bracketed text from Obsolete to Adopted by NAD. JadeDragon (talk) 02:53, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Honors to search out

http://www.pathfindersonline.org/48-news/407-new-honors-being-taught-at-oshkosh lists:

In addition, many honors are being piloted for potential inclusion as an NAD or GC honor in the future:

Adventist Heritage (pin) (now an honor) Blacksmithing God's Messenger (now an honor)

The Price

Sex, AIDS, and Pathfinder Age Children- is a frank discussion about teens engaging in sexual behavior and the consequences of poor decision making. Teen sexuality is on the increase and its consequences are rampant. This is an informative and prevention driven presentation for teens, leaders, and anyone working with the youth. This is presentation-honor can be completed by Pathfinders, Master Guides, Outreach Ministries, and Health and Temperance. This presentation-honor is appropriate for youth 11 and up. No children under the age of 10. Objectives of the Presentation-Honor 1. Realize that even children from the church are becoming sexually active. 2. Look at the epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases available for transmission. 3. Look at the plan of God when He created sex. 4. Understand what high risky behavior teens are doing which increases chances for sexually transmitted diseases. 5. Look at statistics of HIV infection. 6. Realize that HIV- AIDS are at pandemic proportions. 7. Discuss prevention and God’s plan for us. 8. See what prevention programs are working in different areas. Participants need a pen and might want to acquire a t-shirt for a minimal donation.

Presented by We Care Ministries

Conference honors:

Jamestown

Life of Jesus (Idaho Conf taught it)

Louisiana Purchase

Recycled Art

Space Exploration (got this)

State Study (got this)

Steel Pan (got this) but there is an Advanced version

The Gospel and the Stars The Price (duplicate see above)

http://www.cye.org/assets/resources/camporee/documents/honors-activity-list-2014-05-27.pdf

Conference Level Honors only in NAD

What is the source that states only NAD is allowed or permitted to have their conferences make their own honors?

Why is this privilege not offered or restricted for other Divisions?

There are obviously other honors that have already been created with their own requirements from different Divisions. Have they suddenly been wiped out of existence? --w126jep (talk) 11:37, 9 January 2015 (EST)

The source is a GC committee which has directed me to do this. The NAD is the only division that allows its local unions & conferences to have their own localized honors. Other divisions do NOT allow their conferences or unions to do this, and all honors in those divisions must be approved by that division. Specifically, I was directed to remove those from any indexes, but was not required to delete them. The only one that had a blue link was the Ukrainian Vollyball honor, and that honor is still on the wiki - it's just not indexed any more. --Jomegat (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Steel Pan also has the requirements listed on the Wiki. I guess this goes back to the topic we were dealing with a while ago about the NAD Wiki only lists honors approved at the division level. There's still a slew of SAD honors that haven't been put up, so I guess I'll focus on those before worrying about putting up any other conference level requirements. --w126jep (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2015 (EST)

Not showing Regional Index

I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong here. I set up the honor index for the Regional category and IN THE PREVIEW the index shows up perfectly. However, when I save, the index switches to ADRA. I have tried looking at it from different devices and it still show the ADRA index twice. Yet in the preview I get the correct index. Is this a glitch or am I missing something? --w126jep (talk) 06:51, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

Preview that comes out before I save changes

To make matters even more complicated, I went to delete the "/en" translation of this page, and to my surprise, the correct index showed up, instead of replacing it with the incorrect ADRA one. Could this have something to do with the language code used in the template? Why doesn't it affect the actual ADRA index and only the regional index? *sigh* --w126jep (talk) 22:17, 14 October 2018 (EDT)

Still haven't been able to figure this one out. The correct list shows up in the preview but it will display the ADRA list when actually saved. Drawing a blank here. --w126jep (talk) 11:48, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

Fixed that. The problem is that the honor index template tells DPL to cache the result, and by default, it will save all the DPL queries on a page in the same cache. To get around this, the template has a cachename argument so you can tell it to put the results in unique caches. So the rule is, any time you use honor index on a page more than once, you have to specify the cachename. --Jomegat (talk) 12:19, 1 November 2018 (EDT)