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| − | Our service provider will be upgrading the wiki software sometime next week. This is necessary so that we can install the translate extension and then begin to offer the wiki in more languages. I will back up the Wiki on Thursday evening (EDT) just in case. I would also back it up over the weekend, but... duties to my local club call. I will then begin making backups as I have time starting Monday-ish and continuing daily (as time allows) until the upgrade begins. Hopefully, the backups will turn out to be a total waste of my time, but I'm not willing to take that gamble. If something goes wrong, the wiki may be down for a little while. If worse comes to worse, I will at least have a backup of the database and can restore it on another machine. If the wiki goes down, look for info on the [http://www.pathfindersonline.org/forum/ Pathfinder Forum]. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:04, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :Very nice, looking forward to it. -- [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 23:28, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::The upgrade is complete. I will begin working on getting the Translate extension installed this week. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 17:45, 29 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::The Translate extension is ON now, and the Wiki is once again read/write. Let the fun begin! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:43, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::It looks like I don't have permission to translate or am not a translation administrator. I'm not sure what needs to be changed to allow access to others to translate. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 17:48, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::::I have now given you "administration" rights, which should give you translate admin rights as well. It also allows you to do other things that you need to be very careful about, including deleting pages, importing pages from other wikis, and blocking users. Use the tools wisely, and there is no penalty for NOT using them if you are not comfortable with them. I have also given JadeDragon admin rights. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 18:15, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ==GC vs Division== | + | == Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers Update and Updated Honors Workbook == |
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| − | With all these division honors mixed into the Category pages it could be confusing as to where to get the patches. There seems to be two types of Division Honor
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| − | ;a) approved and listed by the GC on their website & publications as Originating in XYZ Division. Advent<i>Source</i> or local conf should carry these patches. In my view these have been adopted by the GC while preserving the "originated by" status.
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| − | ;b) approved at a Division level but don't expect the patch to be stocked outside the division.
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| − | We have no clear way of distinguishing the two varieties right now.
| + | 1) I have 2 honors workbook, one from 2000 (or so) and one from 2014. However, there have been some new honors added since 2014 (i.e. Mobile Technology honor, in 2016). Is there an updated honor workbook coming to include the newer honors from 2014 onward, such as the Mobile Technology honor (and others)? |
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| − | I propose we split the Category pages into two lists (like we did in Outreach for ADRA/ACS) - General Conference and Division sections. Since there are only 3 Div with their own honors, we can further arrange NAD, SAD, and SAD honors into the three alpha columns with subheadings, like on the Regional index page. We should also consider leaving the "group a) (above)" honors in the GC list and dropping the Div icon as these honors are no longer truly Div honors. Where honors have multiple versions, link from each Div area the right honor. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 17:55, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | 2) The current Wikibooks Pathfinder Honor Answers website isn't updated to reflect a lot of the newer honors, even the 2014 Honors book. Will the Wikibooks website be updated anytime soon? |
| − | :Very good suggestion. I think this would be one of the better ways to rearrange the main index. I'm not sure what you mean by "group a) (above)" honors, though. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 19:08, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::I would like to explore one other option before acting. There is Yet Another Extension called "Semantic Wiki" which would allow us to turn this site into something more akin to an application than a repository of Honors. We should be able to allow users to customize what honors they see. By default, it would be the ones they can get in their division. For this to work, we would want to tag each honor as "available in the NAD" and that would include all NAD and GC honors, and some SPD, TED, and other division honors. Users who create an account could customize these, and there would always be a link available to list the honors that are available outside the division.
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| − | ::I would rather not break the index into sections as proposed though, as people don't always read the introductory paragraphs (shock!). Instead, they skip straight to the first index they see and if they don't find the honor they're after there, they give up and assume we don't have it. By default, I would list them all, and maybe add a graphic along with the honor insignia if the honor has limited availability. But let's get the Translate stuff going first.
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| − | ::That said, I do support dropping the division icons from all honors that have been adopted by the GC. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 19:20, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::I don't think users will create an account to filter - too complex. Would we need to tag each honor as available in the SPD etc? That is a lot of tagging. If I am sitting in New Zealand, can I get the NAD approved patches? I hope I am understanding this correctly. I'm going to go do a sample page now - we can always undo the revision. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 19:29, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::I agree that users would probably not create an account. And I also agree that users don't read introductions and skip straight to the list. Also, I believe it's true that the honors adopted by the GC and are sold at Advent<i>Source</i> no longer belong exclusively to their respective divisions, but just shows where they originated from. While we continue to brainstorm, if in the end nothing really changes, I think it'll look just fine with all the honors listed in the front page. I don't think worrying about where to get the patches is an issue, since a page was set up for just that. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 19:54, 30 September 2014 (EDT)<br>
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| − | ::::<br>This past investiture, myself and several other directors from the FL conference had questions and some issues with ordering patches. After many phone calls and e-mails back and forth with the FL Conference Director, we learned that Advent<i>Source</i> is being promoted as the official source and provider for Investiture supplies throughout the NAD and the GC. Except in FL (because for some reason, they have to do everything more difficult here), where the FL Pathfinder Online Store is the official resource for clubs in the state and clubs from FL don't have a code to access Advent<i>Source</i>. The FL Pathfinder Store is actually a branch of Advent<i>Source</i> where they specifically service the state. What I mean to say is, there <b>is</b> a clear way to distinguish between the two categories mentioned previously: if Advent<i>Source</i> sells it, it has been adopted by the GC. If it's not there, it can only be obtained from the respective division. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 20:07, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | Ok that fits with what I guessed. I used to order stuff from FL but they posted that after Aug 1 no more orders allowed for out of state, except for FL specific patches and we had to go through AdventSource. I don't have an AdventSource code (I am not in a Pathfinder Club, and my conf sells direct) so I can't even see what AdventSource lists for honors. So currently I can write a complete answer key for world-wide use but can't get the patch. Here is a sample page incorporating my thoughts http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outdoor_Industries_Div [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 20:45, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :That link isn't active yet. As for not being able to get the patches, I understand your pain. The NAD's intent was to protect the integrity of the insignia. They were afraid that people were just awarding themselves the patches without doing the work, so they asked FL to quit selling outside of FL. Can you talk to your conference youth director and explain your situation? Our conference gives the code to club directors so we can order directly from AS. Maybe yours would do the same for you. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:56, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::Cool. It's active ''now''. Love the made-up honor names BTW. :-) --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:59, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::I guess I should address the proposal too! I like it. I had missed the concept that this would be limited to the category pages, and not applied to the main index. In the old days when we used the 3-ring binder printed version, I never liked that they separated the division honors from the rest (including NAD honors!). I don't know how many times I had counselors tell me that the answers to some honor were not in the book. They were, of course, and as with the wiki, they only looked at the first index they saw. :-/ The more that things change, the more they stay the same. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:02, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::One more thought. Maybe we should turn the index on the main page into a sortable table so that people could see them alphabetically, by division, by category, or even skill level. See [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting here] for info. I always liked the 3-column approach as I thought it was easier to find honors that way (and more compact). Maybe it's time to abandon that. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:08, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::I was talking about category pages only, W126jep may be suggesting the main index page too (I don't have an opinion on that yet). I think on the main index we should use the icons for Div specific (group b) but not Div initiated (group a) honors. Feel free to tweak the working page.
| + | If we are to broaden our young people's minds and help them grow, us leaders to keep up with the pace and bring everything up-to-date. |
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| − | ::::Sortable would rock - maybe even eliminate the need to have the Skill Level grid at the bottom. Alpha - Category - Approving Entity - Skill Level - 100 px patch? however the more info the more room taken and its a long list. I think removing the whole alpha list and having people use the category pages would also be appropriate. Scanning 600 entries for the one you want, even if alphabetical, is tough.
| + | Thanks for the reply! |
| − | :::::I'm working on a mock up in my [[User:Jomegat/main index|userspace.]]. I also had the idea of installing Yet Another Extension to automatically populate the skill level, intro year, originating institution - basically anything we throw in the honor_desc template. I'm also thinking that originating institution and authority are two different things, so maybe we should add them separately. The robot could make the initial edit, and then we could go through and make a list of honors that originated in a division and were later approved by the GC. The robot could then edit those pages to make adjustments. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:44, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | ~ Kris |
| − | ::::We need an honor for wikibuilding and advanced and (for you) super advanced. Would NH pioneer it? LOL
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| − | [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 21:18, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::The sort list is spectacular. It would help unclutter the main page and keep information "above the fold". The only issue I have with demoting to only category pages is that I assume most directors and Pathfinders don't know how or where an honor is categorized and might spend unnecessary time searching or become frustrated. And I would be the first in line to try to earn a wikibuilding honor. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 21:40, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::I wanted a wiki trading pin featuring the "keys" image on the front page. It would be cool to be able to send those out to anyone who makes a constructive edit. But those cost bucks, and I am but a volunteer. Maybe I'll ask the NAD to invest. It might attract more editors. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 21:44, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | Last night while the wiki was read-only, I experimented with my own copy of the wiki on my laptop, basically implementing the sortable index. I guess I spent three hours on that, but the result looks pretty good. When I get home from work, I will upload the new index (and associated templates). As of now, there is a column for "year", but it's not filled in yet. I am exploring ways to make that automatic, by extracting it from the honor's page. I also did work to add the development stage (0-100%) to the honor_desc template, and will auto-extract that into the indices as well (so we don't have to update it in the main index and in the category indices). I've got a proof-of-concept working on the skill level column, but... I'm not sure I like it. The approach I took might make the site substantially slower. But it's a start. Since I am monolingual, I am happy to work on that sort of thing instead of translation. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 12:43, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
| + | :Hi Kris and welcome to the Wiki! Great questions. Here are my responses, you might get other responses from others too: |
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| − | ==Regional Honors Variations==
| + | :1) The two workbooks you have, are they from the General Conference or from Advent''Source''? I ask because the GC Honors has not been updated since their last 2014 edition. However, Advent''Source'' prints material specifically for the North American Division and usually has their material up to date, according to the NAD. I would not know when the GC plans to update their material, especially since Andrés Peralta took over as the new world leader for clubs and is still trying to learn as much as he can. Many times the GC & NAD requirements can differ, so that might also be a discrepancy you also see; this wouldn't necessarily mean one is outdated, only that different versions exist according to their region. |
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| − | When a local conference has an honor with the same name or subject matter as a GC/Div honor - even if the requirements are different, I propose we exclude the regional honor or clearly mark it as obsolete. Examples include Florida's Adventist Heritage,, Ukraine's Feltcraft, Backpacking & Adv, Camp Cookery. If a Div creates a variation, I propose we include it with a disambig page as has been our practice so far. SPD has a few variations we have not covered yet.[[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 00:21, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | :2) This Wiki Answer Book is actually the most updated honors resource in the world. It is comprised of volunteers within the Pathfinder community who are constantly updating the content and keeping it to the day. If you are referring to the previous [https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book Wikibooks] version, that is the old site and is no longer maintained. There is a message on the front page stating that it was moved to this Wiki. |
| − | :Is it possible to include the different insignia image with the disambig pages? Ukraine has its own images and the FL Heritage Award does too, for example. -- [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 00:33, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::Sure we can just add the image. would make the page look nicer. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 15:51, 30 September 2014 (EDT) | + | :I hope that helps clarify some things for you. If you still have some doubts, express them here and myself and others will answer to the best of our knowledge! --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 00:58, 26 May 2019 (EDT) |
| − | :::Once the Translate extension is up, we could select an image based on language. That's an imperfect solution, I know, but it might be pretty OK-ish. FWIW, I'm uploading the extensions now. They won't go live until I can get our service provider to run the update script though. How I wish I had shell access! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::i don't see how selecting by images by language helps anything - maybe I don't understand. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 14:31, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
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| − | How new does an honor have to be for it to still have the "new icon" png? One year? Three? Five? There seems to be lots of "new" honors cluttering up on the main index page and some of them have been around since 2010. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 18:15, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :Thanks for pointing that out. I would think that anything less than two or three years qualifies as new. Four seems excessive. What do you think? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:34, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::I would say anything older than two years shouldn't be considered new. So 2012 and earlier. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 22:28, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | Been thinking, we now have most of the FL honors in the wiki but not the navigation. How about we add a Category on the main honor page below Other called "Regional Honors" that leads to a category page. There are 21 FL honor patches in their store http://www.flpathfinderstore.com/Florida_c_581.html and 19-20 of them are gray-not part of an established category. I imagine there are a few other examples, along with honors in pilot. Now that I typed this out it is really clear in my mind, so I am going to try it. We can always reverse/revise it. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 23:09, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :Don't know how others would feel about it, but I agree. Good suggestion. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 00:52, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | It's been awhile since I have been on here. I noticed many conferences are setting up Online Pathfinder honors (Video/Slideshow) Some require registration and others are being uploaded on youtube, vimeo or other websites. I was wondering what would be the best option to have this linked into a list? Where Pathfinders can watch the video's with the registration link to the conference or something. I would love to talk more on this idea via e-mail or messenger or something else to brainstorm. |
| − | ::I think it's time to do that too. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 08:11, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::i started this. built the Regional Category page and renamed a few as a test. This means changing say Huricanes from Nature Catagory to Regional Category. Hopefully that is ok? don't think that earning a FL honor counts toward the Master Awards. Can't understand how to get the auto counts to work like I expect. Should I do all the page moves and then worry about the counts? What about States Study? Is there a master page for all the states specific ones to link off of? JadeDragon
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| − | ::::The auto count stuff is mostly in the honor_desc template (which has replaced the honor_header template). It does this by adding the honor to a wiki category according to its honor category (two uses of the same word make for confusion). To avoid double-counting some honors, such as State Study, all but one of them take a "secondary=true" argument, which prevents them from being placed in the "counted" category. To get the count for any category, just use <nowiki>{{PAGESINCATEGORY|category_name}}</nowiki>. On the main page I added up several. Yes, there is a master page for [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Outreach/State Study|State Study]], and each individual state page does link to it. All of the state pages set secondary=true so they do not appear in the counts. Also, I think we should probably move all the honors to a two-tiered hierarchy instead of the three-tiered we have now. Then we won't have to worry about where the page lives - just fill in the category in the honor_desc template, link to it from the category's page, and viola - its counted there.
| + | This is currently what is available online coming up. |
| − | :::::One other thing - the honor counts are not always instantaneous. Sometimes it takes the counts a little bit of time to catch up with the database. But the honor is counted if the category= field in the honor_desc is set correctly. | + | [https://kvisit.com/qwI/nvuuAQ Pathfinder Calendar] |
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| − | Thanks, I almost understand now. A 2 tier would mean AY Answer Book/Birds instead of /nature/birds? Would that mean moving all the honor pages manually one by one? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 20:23, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | :We've noticed this too, and we're exploring possibilities. If you look in [[User:Jomegat/Do at home]] we have a list we're building of honors that can be done at home. That index is in my user space right now because it's not ready for prime-time. We might feature the index on the main page, or we might create a dedicated page for it. I'd love to hear any ideas you have - you can just put ideas on this page if you want, or even prototype something in your own user space and we could discuss it there.. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 16:39, 12 April 2020 (EDT) |
| − | :Yes, that's what I meant by the two-tier hierarchy. It seems to me that the third tier causes more problems than it solves. One of the technologies I have at my disposal now is a wiki bot to do that sort of repetitive thing. I used it to change all the honors from using honor_header to honor_desc, and it worked out pretty OK! There were hiccups, but it was still way easier than editing ~500 pages manually (and I was able to use the robot to fix the problems the robot caused). You might notice that the honor_desc template places a link to the category to which the honor belongs, and that was in anticipation of moving to a 2-tier system. The only thing of value I think we would lose would be the backlinks to the honor categories, so the template adds on in there. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:59, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :It would sure make internal linking easier and simplify things when they move honors between categories. What happens to all the inter-honor links now in place? Prob. have to manually clean them all up. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 22:08, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::Most of the inter-honor links are done with the ay_prerequisite template, so that would be a simple matter of updating the template. But even if we didn't update the template, moving a page leaves a redirect behind by default. So if you went to AY/Nature/Birds, and Birds had moved to AY/Birds, the redirect would still take you there. Once we adjusted all the links, the bot could easily remove the old links (but I would leave them around for a couple of years for the users who have bookmarked them). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:40, 21 September 2014 (EDT)<br>
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| − | Since we started experimenting with the regional category, I have been gathering information and requirements for different honors, especially the ones from Ukraine. One honor that I cannot for the life of me find the published requirements to is the Louisiana Purchase, from the Arkansas-Louisiana Conference. I was able to snag a photo of it at FFIC but couldn't get the requirements. I know that it was offered before at FOFIC also. Others I'm looking for include: Sofrut [Scribing] (Illinois Conference); The Gospel and the Stars (The Gospel in the Stars); Steel Pan (South Caribbean Conference, Trinidad); Jamestown (Potomac Conference); and Blacksmithing (Michigan Conference). If anyone has information about where to find these requirements, please let me know or put them up. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 19:15, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :Perhaps the direct approach? I just sent this email to the AR-LA Pathfinder Director:
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| − | ::I am a volunteer working on the http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book | + | :: What I'm wondering is I currently have a facebook group active but the amount of Honor's being videoed by different conferences is starting to become a lot. Like 3 conferences have done Peacemaking, 2 have done firesafety. There is about 20 so far in video's, with this pandemic going for awhile. I could see more and more conferences designing new video's. I know our conference is talking about it. What I am wondering is should these video's be merged into here somehow or would it be best to come up with another site all on Teaching (video's, powerpoint, etc) The video's do have registration links to the conference main site. Maybe link those video's back to here for the honor answer book. I'm just trying to figure out something to merge it all together. I'm open to any suggestions. The Calendar has been the best idea yet for whats coming. But I'm still kinda lost on a video database for the honors. I am thinking of a streaming setup for the videos. Just not sure where to start. |
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| − | ::We are starting to add regionally approved honors in a Regional section. | + | --[[User:Ixoekea|Ixoekea]] ([[User talk:Ixoekea|talk]]) 22:22, 12 April 2020 (EDT) |
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| − | ::I understand your conference has a Lousiana Purchase honor. Can you share the requirements? Can the patch be ordered from your conference by people outside your AR-LA? Do you have an image of the patch?
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| − | ::Thanks, Cameron Rogers/JadeDragon
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| − | Cool. I've asked someone in Potomac for Jamestown. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:11, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | My name is Pr Phil Yates from the Greater Sydney Conference (where I am one of the Youth Director and Pathfinder Director for the conference). I am so appreciative for THIS Pathfinder Website, it has helped and continues to help all of use Pathfinder Leaders down under in Australia and New Zealand. |
| − | :One other thing - I have the Louisiana Purchase honor (got it during CTS, kids got it at FFIC). I can take a photo, but I am slammed with Conf Camporee prep right now, and then there will be the backups/upgrade to tend to. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:18, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::I already uploaded the Louisiana Purchase insignia >[[Image:Louisiana Purchase.png|100px]] --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 23:28, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| + | I have started Online honors for the Australian Union Conference and am presenting honors for the British Union Conference due to this COVID-19 lockdown everywhere - below is the YouTube Channel. |
| − | I am also going to put up the SAD honors, but those are at Division level, higher than regional. I don't think they should go into the main count since they haven't been approved by the GC. Where should they go? --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 23:14, 24 September 2014 (EDT) | |
| − | ::Division honors can and should go into the counts. We do it with SPD and NAD, so we have precedence. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:18, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::Yup, and some, but not all, Div Honors are in the GC honors book. On that point, I have excluded the Regional Honors from the total count, the category pages, and the alphabetical list on the main page (which is really hard to update-do we really need that?), and propose we leave the Regional Honors off these areas forever. That emphases that the Regionals are less official and you got to go to greater lengths to get the patch, we don't want people confused.
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| − | ::::The SAD has more than 50 new honors. This is why I'm hesitant to include them in the main count, because the GC or the NAD does not officially recognize them all. SPD has maybe less than 20 (don't know, haven't really counted) and the NAD just always seems to be accepted everywhere. Other Divisions, like the in Africa or Europe, have maybe one or two. Plus, Advent<i>Source</i> will sell these honors, making it more plausible to include and complete the honors. Advent<i>Source</i> does not, however, sell SAD patches. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 00:31, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | Is that LA Purchase really an honor? Patch does not follow the honor format. Interesting, I want to earn it.[[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 00:07, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :That was my question too. The size is bigger. They don't call it an award, though, so I'm not sure what else it could be. -- [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 00:31, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::We do include the SPD specific Honors like Australian Birds, [[Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Nature/Cetaceans]] and Zoology Master which you have to order from a conf in SPD (I did just that for several of them). Maybe we need a note for the ones that are not available from Advent<i>Source</i>. Or maybe a "guide to getting patches" page? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 01:40, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::I think a guide to purchasing insignia would be a good idea. We could even add it to the honor_desc as a new named parameter and link to Advent<i>Source</i> or wherever it's available. LA Purchase is an honor. The NAD had requested that conferences make them different (they recommended a diamond shape a la Jamestown, but LA P is bigger. FL honors have (mostly) adopted the gray background. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 07:17, 25 September 2014 (EDT)<br>
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| − | I have added the insignia images to all the new SAD honors, in preparation to adding the requirements. There are about 120 new honors. I remember someone asking if the list on the main page was really necessary. What is the plan with that? Is it still going to be up or are different approaches being looked at? It would be good to know before I go ahead and add almost 120 new names. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] ([[User talk:W126jep|talk]]) 08:51, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :I know a lot of people use ''only'' the index on the front page for the honors. Originally, the front-page index was a list of honors that had comprehensive answers (i.e., complete), and I had people tell me that such-and-such honor was not on the wiki. Well, it was on the wiki, and listed in the category's index, but not on the main index (since it wasn't "complete" yet). They didn't look any farther. So I would say let's leave the main index as "the" place to list all division & higher honors. If you are going to add them, go ahead and add them like all the rest are there. I may end up moving every honor into the 2-tier hierarchy soon though, but that will be done with a robot. It's easier if they are all organized the same when I do that vs some 2-tiered, and some 3. I will be working on the Translate extension this week, which will lead to the question of what language should the SAD honors go up? I know it might not be a satisfying answer, but the extension is going to require that they go up in English first (because the extension assumes that everything is English unless otherwise noted). Hopefully, the extension will go live before the end of the weekend, but we'll see. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] ([[User talk:Jomegat|talk]]) 15:38, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::Adding 120 honors that require writing South America for the patch to the main page is going to make that really long list even harder to work with for us editors. Are we sure about this policy? It doubles the work of adding them to the category pages and doubles the effort to update the completeness icons. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 15:50, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ==Honor Header Template vs Translation== | + | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQLzp8Fp2QbMXY8keb5rrYg?view_as=subscriber |
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| − | I have created a new template intended to replace the honor_header template. This one has named parameters rather than simply relying on the order of the parameters. It also removes the use of the SUBPAGENAME variable which will break when we start translating. I have not yet worked up the bravery required to attempt an upgrade to 1.23.3 without shell access. That is something that has to be done very carefully or the wiki will go down hard for a few days (or weeks). | + | Along with this I do a worksheet and Certificate, once the Pathfinders have show evidence of completion. |
| | + | We have found that a lot of clubs across Australia are using it in there Pathfinder Zoom Meeting and Pathfinders are doing the Honors in there spare time. |
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| − | But while I think about this more, we should switch the honors over to using honor_desc instead of honor_header. I have already done [[Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book/Arts and Crafts/Aboriginal Lore|Aboriginal Lore]], but there are hundreds more to do. I am still considering moving all of the honors directly under "Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book" for a two-level hierarchy instead of the three level (which includes the honor category) hierarchy we are using now. This will make linking from one honor to another easier as we will not need to know its category, and cross-linking honors is going to get a lot more complicated when we start adding translations. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:36, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | This channel is still in its infancy as I have only completed 5 honors - I am planning to release an honor every week. |
| − | :I should try to learn how to get a bot to make those edits. It's very mechanical, so it really lends itself to that. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:56, 8 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | What I have done so far has received great feedback. |
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| − | ::Success in the bot world! I've got it running right now, and it should find and replace every occurrence of the honor_header with honor_desc (in the Main namespace anyhow - not in talk pages, etc). The task of checking all the edits still remains, especially in the insignia=xxx field, as there may be some characters in the filenames I was not expecting. We'll see how it does. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:46, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | Below is the dropbox with the sample worksheet and certificate. |
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| − | :::The bot had problems, but I was able to fix them with the bot. There are no pages that use the honor_header template anymore. They all use honor_desc now. Now I need to study whether or not we need to move all the honors into a two-level hierarchy vs the 3-level we have now. That study will be done on the parallel version of the wiki running on my laptop. Further bulletins as events warrant! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 18:39, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
| + | I would be interested in you feedback. |
| − | Very nice work :) [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 01:04, 19 September 2014 (EDT)
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| + | I would also be keen to help you all as much as I can. |
| − | Hope I am doing this right! Wanted to introduce myself to you all. My name is Alyssa and I have utilized this resource a lot in the last year. I am passionate about Pathfinders and helping our kids and today decided to sign up so I could actually help and participate and give back as a thank you. Looking forward to contributing as I can :) Loved Oshkosh and all the honors we earned there and can't wait for the start of a new year [[User:ScrappinAly|ScrappinAly]] 20:49, 30 August 2014 (EDT)scrappinaly
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| − | :Welcome to the PF wiki Alyssa. People like you are what make this wiki work. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:47, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::And BTW, yes, you are doing it right. I prefer for people to not worry too much about wiki syntax. That will come with time, and I am more than happy to correct formatting errors. Just add the information - that's what we really need. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:52, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ==New South American Division Honors==
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| − | Hello, everyone. I'm not sure how many here really follow other divisions, but the South American Division approved several new honors and have manuals out in Portuguese and in Spanish. Are there any plans to incorporate them here? I do lots of translation work and would be available to contribute the requirements into English.
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| − | If needed, I can post a link to their new honor manuals, which include all of their requirements. [[User:W126jep|W126jep]] 15:49, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :The GC just approved eight honors (some from the SAD, some from other divisions). If you would like to add the SAD honors, that would be a good thing. If you need help formatting them, I can do that, though it's not that hard. Thanks! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:50, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :Perhaps a greater need would be translating the Answer Book into Spanish? If you're interested, I'd like to explore that. We'd want to see how Wikipedia sets up multiple languages and follow their lead. I'd also want to get the NAD to buy into this (if they've already set something in motion, we would not want to duplicate the effort). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:00, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::That was actually one of the goals I had in mind for the Answer Book. The NAD provides an Honors Manual in Spanish, which I have a copy of. I wouldn't have to translate myself the requirements (except for the newer honors for the past 3 or so years). I could work on translating the answers or finding equivalents in Spanish. I would probably need some help, though, with formatting. Check with the NAD and let me know if we can get started on this. [[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 08:35, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::If the NAD has official requirements in Spanish, I think we can proceed with setting things up here for the answers. I'll dig into how to do a multi-language wiki when I get time, but with Oshkosh coming fast, I don't know that I'll have much of that in the next couple of weeks. I have already put the question to one of the NAD guys, but he was a champion of the wiki in the first place. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 15:15, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ==Multilingual Wiki, and Expanding the Scope==
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| − | Here's a new header since we've morphed this into a new topic... --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:32, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :I've been trying to figure out how to create translated pages. From what I gather, a completely new wiki needs to be created in the different language and then linked. I'm wondering if you were able to find out anything and also if you were able to speak with the NAD.[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 19:41, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::I have been researching the multilingual wiki, and have pretty much settled on the Translate extension. Setting up a second wiki is another approach, and is the one taken by Wikipedia, but it is fraught with difficulty. There are a few hurdles that need to be overcome before we can install the Translate extension however. We need to update the version of mediawiki we are using (we're on 1.18 right now, and we need to be on 1.23). To that end, I archived the site last night to prepare for the upgrade. The other issue is that we will need shell access to the server, which is something our provider is going to resist (as well they should). This means I will have to get them involved, and for that, I have to talk to the NAD, as it probably comes with funding requirements. Incidentally, setting up a second Wiki would require the provider's involvement ''every time'' we want to add a new language. The Translate extension should only require their involvement once.
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| − | ::From what I have gathered, the NAD is very much in favor of a multilingual wiki ''in principle.'' Further, I understand that the GC is interested in the wiki now as well, but they want to see it less localized to the NAD before they adopt it - and for that, the first order of business is going multilingual. The second order of business will be to beef up the species accounts for those honors that feature various species.
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| − | ::I plan to add some hooks to the species account template so that we can tag each page that uses it with a set of regions where that species is endemic. We will then be able to create dynamic pages based on that information, and specific to a given area. After all that is in place, it's just a matter of adding species (which is a huge task, but should not be technically difficult).
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| − | ::I know I said that it would be the second order of business, but we have all the pieces we need to make that happen now without any involvement from our provider. So there might be some work on that sooner rather than later. For the multilingual effort, I may have to have a sit-down, face-to-face working session with the provider. I will try to get the ball moving without that, as it will be very difficult to make that happen before March. But if I can make it happen sooner, I will.
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| − | ::The GC is very interested in this wiki project, and it came up at Oshkosh when the 12 division heads of youth ministries met. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen when I started this back in 2005. :-) They have people who are ready to translate the wiki into Russian, and are just waiting for the infrastructure to be created. So that is a very exciting development, and of course, it makes it a priority. That said, things often move with less speed than I would prefer, so we must be patient, but keep pressing forward.
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| − | ::I will install the wiki software on my machine at home and give the translate extension a spin. If I can get it to work here, that will go a long way towards easing the NAD's server into the upgrade. I'll keep you posted! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 21:22, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::Wow ... so there's a bit to be done. No matter, all will be done in its time. I think that if the NAD really wants to make this site able to serve their population, Spanish and French translations are a must. The NAD has always seemed biased to only serving the English-speaking members, even though I know they do not do so with any malice or intention. They provide all investiture curriculum and much material in those two languages as well, so it would only be natural for the wiki to be provided in them also.
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| − | :::It's good to know that the GC is interested, it makes sense if we would like to do a multilingual format. I have seen the Russian wiki page and they have very good material. It's exciting that the division heads are talking about the wiki and wanting to make it available to all the world.
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| − | :::I guess I will continue to be patient and wait to see what the uppers decide. I just really want to start providing resources and translations; there are many clubs I work with who are eager to be able to find support in Spanish. --[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 11:24, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :I have installed the latest wikimedia software on my laptop (1.23.3), but have not yet been successful at importing the archived wikidata into it. The problem is that the archive file is 580Megs, and 20M is considered pretty big. I adjusted the apache2 server to allow up to 1G file sizes, and allow up to 5 minutes for a file to load, but my browser timed out on me before it could finish. I can probably use some other method since I do have shell access to my laptop. I just need to be careful about needing shell access on the NAD server. But I should quit working on it tonight, or I will not be able to turn my brain off and go to sleep later. Must. Decompress. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:53, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::The import into the test wiki seems to be working, but it is very slow. It has been running for over an hour and is just now finishing the A's. At this rate, it's going to take a full day to populate the database from the XML dump. There are faster (but more difficult to use) tools, and I am regretting my choice at the moment. But patience!
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| − | ::Meanwhile, I found some [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate decent] [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example tutorials] on the Translate Extension. Anyone who is interested in doing translation work should take a look at these. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:51, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::I ran over the tutorials and it looks pretty straight forward and easy with the extension. It mentioned that the wiki could have translation administrators (I guess that means one has to be authorized) or accessible for everyone to translate. Which one is being leaned towards?
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| − | ::::That's something we will have to play with, but it would be crazy to not have you as a translation admin. Also, I lean towards opening things up to registered users, and deal with problems as they arise rather than preventing participation because I'm afraid someone ''might'' do something bad. Open is good. It's what got us this far. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::The import failed. I let it run for about 26 hours, and it grabbed quite a lot of data, but then it just quit adding stuff. I killed it and tried a different, much faster tool, and now I pretty much have the wiki running on my laptop with most of the data from here in it. Next step it to install the Translate extension and see what happens. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:14, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | The second method for restoring the wiki from the dump worked! I now have a fully-functional version of our wiki running on my laptop. Furthermore, I have installed the Translate extension (actually, the MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle), and that seems to be working too! I will play around with it a little bit, but from what I can tell, it really looks pretty good.
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| − | The other news is that I have been exploring the possibility of upgrading the NAD wiki via ftp (without shell access), and it looks like that is something that can be done. The worst thing that can happen is that I completely trash it in the process, but since I have a full backup (minus this week's edits), even that is a recoverable scenario. But the wiki would be down for a little while. I will think carefully about this before proceeding. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 19:04, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :There are some problems with the extension that will have to be worked out. The one I know about right now is that the SUBPAGENAME magic-word is kind of broken on the translations. SUBPAGENAME on a page called "Page/foo/bar" returns "bar", and this is used extensively in the honor_header template. However, if you were to translate that page into French, the software creates a new one called Page/foo/bar/fr, and SUBPAGENAME returns "fr". This makes the honor title "fr" instead of "bar". That would not be too hard to fix, but there are other problems this causes as well. For instance, the code in the honor header that detects if there is an advanced honor also relies on SUBPAGENAME... and that will be hard to fix.
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| − | :I did find an extension that looked promising (SubPageFunctions), but it broke the wiki with a syntax error. It was last updated five years ago, so I suppose it's incompatible with 1.23.3.
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| − | :One possible fix would be to come up with a new honor_header template (and name it something else). It would required us to provide the name of the honor as a parameter and not use SUBPAGENAME at all. Then we'd have to go through 400+ honors and use the new template. I could possibly just change the existing template and make it use SUBPAGENAME if the honor name was not provided, but that is fraught with peril and bumps up the ugly factor. I am still exploring options.
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| − | :Another thing I discovered is that since a translation creates a new page, that will mess up the honor counters. We'd have to add "secondary=true" to the honor_header template in all the translations, or attempt to detect "not English" and set it automatically. That one's not too scary. Bottom line: it still looks promising, but I'm glad I'm trying it out before deploying it. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 22:40, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::Everything worthwhile in life requires patience. The best results come from trial and error. I'm trying to keep up with the technical jargon but I guess I have quite a bit of learning to do with wiki editing and its terms. From what I understand, the update is running great, but there are still some issues like the header template and there might be more on some other things since it hasn't been completely explored. If it hasn't been updated in a while, that's not a promising sign. Like I said, trial and error.[[User:W126jep|w126jep]] 22:56, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::Your summary was pretty excellent. Forgive me for filling this with jargon, but I wanted to document it somewhat accurately in a place where other people could read it too (in the hope that another gear-head might see it and be able to help out). It also helps me quite a bit to write this stuff out, as sometimes describing a problem prescribes its solution. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:27, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | You may already know about this but there is a Pathfinder Honor Wiki based in Ukrainian already :) http://wiki.pathfinders.org.ua/index.php? It links here and includes at least one local honor. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 03:45, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | After a push on these Honors we are down to three incomplete honors, with about 11 total questions to still answer. We should keep plugging away at the remaining tough questions so we can put the whole category to 100% soon! Jomegat, (and anyone else) you want to look over the honors in this category and double check them for reasonableness and completeness? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 16:22, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :I have been checking, and I like what you've done so far. Thanks! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 18:43, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | These honors are getting close to finished too. I brought all 9 ADRA honors back into the navigation system and have nearly finished off the ACS honors now. Peacemaker and Advanced are outstanding. African American Adventist Heritage in NAD and Advanced are the main sticklers. Be real nice to get these to 100% too. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 16:22, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :new outreach honors keep getting added faster than I can finish the category. Some tough questions still outstanding. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 20:27, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
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| − | I've added a few things to the [http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Vocational/Accounting Accounting] honor under requirement 3. The info is taken from Wikipedia. I've linked in the Honor entry to the particular articles. If you could import the Edit history for those two items, I would appreciate it :) [[User:Bluescifiworm|Bluescifiworm]] 12:45, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :I've exported the WP articles to my laptop and will import them later (when the innernets at my house are not so busy). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 15:50, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
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| − | I believe that the childcare honor is incorrectly catagorized in this wiki. The background of the patch matches Outreach not Health and Science which is were it sits now. It also seems a better fit in outreach along side sign language and other service oriented honors. I do not know how to move it. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 16:41, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :You were right. The GC has it categorized with Outreach. The NAD always put these under "Division" honors which I never liked. I had to guess which one it was way back when the wiki was set up, and I got it wrong. I have moved it. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]]
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| − | http://www.investitureachievement.org/wiki/index.php/Adventist_Youth_Honors_Answer_Book/Outreach/Cultural_Heritage may be incorrectly categorized as well. It is a gray background reflecting its inclusion in Heritage. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 06:15, 20 May 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :The Heritage category does not yet officially exist, even though there are some honors that have been approved and are in that category. I don't think that situation will change until next February at the earliest. I don't think we should move any existing honors into it until the NAD makes a decision. I can well imagine several honors that belong here:
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| − | :I think the greyness of its background is an artifact of photography rather than an intentional color change. As far as I know, there are no honor patches yet with an intentionally grey background. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 17:47, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::: except for the Florida Conference honors, which are found here: http://www.floridaconference.com/iym/pathfinders/honors/(unsigned comment by [[User:98.242.149.225]]
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| − | ::Not disagreeing with you, but I know an elderly MG with gray background vocational patches. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 05:34, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::Another complication is that the Cultural Heritage honor is an SPD honor, so the NAD doesn't really have a say in what color its background is, or what category it belongs to. Has the SPD adopted a Heritage category? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 17:49, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::Not according to their sites as far as I can find.[[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 05:34, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::: According to the GC, it belongs in Arts & Crafts. http://gcyouthministries.org/Ministries/Pathfinders/Honors/tabid/85/agentType/View/PropertyID/574/customFieldIDs/1/Default.aspx?SearchValues=Cultural+Heritage --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 17:51, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::Or in Outreach http://www.pathfindersonline.org/honors/outreach-ministries/257-cultural-heritage but this page says "Category: Outreach (NAD) / Arts Crafts, & Hobbies (GC)" and the image is a Arts & Crafts background. Confused yet? I'm half a mind to earn it and order it from somewhere and be surprised by the color-my wife (and kids) are native from Borneo so if I do the research for her area the answers will make total sense, not so much so for British Columbia where we don't have traditional wear or bride prices. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 05:34, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::I ordered the Cultural Heritage patch from Florida Conf. and have it in hand. Clearly an Arts and Crafts background. Should we move it? How? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 16:27, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | :::I moved it. Along the top of the screen is a "down" triangle next to the "View history" tab. That contains a "move" feature. I made it leave a redirect behind in case anyone has bookmarked it in its old place. I also updated the Outreach & A&C pages to move the honor, and updated the master index on the main AYHAB page as well. Oops - I still need to change the category in the honor header, but I'll do that in a second... --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 18:51, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | ::::Same problem for Maori Lore. I did all the above steps to move it from Outreach to Arts&Crafts (like the other Lore honors) plus updated the honor counts on the catagory and main pages to reflect the two moves. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 22:12, 15 April 2014 (EDT)
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| − | The wiki shows Dressmaking and Advanced patches with Red/Vocational backgrounds but I believe they are (maybe again) Household Arts/Golden [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 05:43, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :Maybe BLueScifiWorm can help as I just awarded her one of these. Cailin, if you could remove the advanced star from it, take its picture, and upload it here, that would fix it. I'd do it, but I don't have a patch any more! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 12:06, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::Can you take it from here? http://www.pathfindersonline.org/es/honors/household-arts/13-dressmaking or http://www.flpathfinderstore.com/Dressmaking--ADVANCED--PF-NAD_p_8321.html [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 18:31, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :::I could, but I'd rather teach you how to do it. First step is to download the photo to your computer. Then look for the "Upload file" link in the left pane of most any page on the wiki and click it. Browse to the copy of the image on your PC, come up with a file name for the wiki, in this case "Dressmaking_Honor.png", assuming your downloaded copy is a .png file. If it's not, you could either convert it, or you could name it Dressmaking_Honor.jpg (or whatever) and change the honor to use that instead of the old one. There is a pulldown menu where you can select the license, and the correct choice there is the "PF insignia" one. That's pretty much it. It might complain about the file already existing, but you should be able to override that. Let me know if these instructions were sufficient! --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 23:28, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::Perfect instructions - all done. I added a Golden version of the basic honor and replaced the red version of the advanced honor. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 02:31, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :::::Nice work! I'm a bit overwhelmed this week with some major projects, but maybe next week I will have some time to pitch in more here. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 07:19, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::::All the edit logs show you have contributed vastly to this project. Don't feel bad! [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 11:48, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::::: Woops! Didn't see this till now! Guess I need to pay more attention. Haha! Glad you got it sorted though! [[User:Bluescifiworm|Bluescifiworm]] 00:27, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | These SPD honors are not represented in the wiki yet:
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| − | * <s>http://honours.adventistconnect.org/master Zoology Master</s> Done
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| − | * <s>http://honours.adventistconnect.org/folk-art-1</s> (new one)Done [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 06:00, 4 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | * <s>ttp://honours.adventistconnect.org/hiking-2 </s>for which you would just add a star to your hiking patch when earned.
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| − | ::I've never even heard of either of those. Must be pretty new? [[User:Bluescifiworm|Bluescifiworm]] 00:30, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :::The South Pacific Division (SPD) has their own set of honors. Over the past five years or so they have been going through each one, reviewing it, and if necessary modifying it to fit their needs. http://honours.adventistconnect.org is SPD's http://www.pathfindersonline.org
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| − | :::They also have introduced several of their own (such as Folk Art 1 - which implies the existence or at least a plan to introduce Folk Art 2). Divisions routinely introduce new honors, and then the GC committee reviews them. If they are not ''too'' region specific, they approve them for world-wide use.
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| − | :::SPD was the first division to officially recognize the wiki. They incorporated lots of content from it into their official resources. They link to the wiki (at its old location - I should send them an email) but made static copies of the content for their official documentation. It was pretty cool back when it happened (and still is). --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 06:44, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::That is pretty cool! I sent an email to the people at the YPAC site, letting them know the wikibooks project they linked to was now here. Would be cool if SPD linked here too. [[User:Bluescifiworm|Bluescifiworm]] 07:56, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | What do you guys think of creating a field guide here? It would be an enormous undertaking, but I think it would be pretty cool to have one. It could have information on birds, flowers, mammals, sharks - basically every kind of species one needs to identify to get an honor.
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| − | I would organize it so that every species was on a different page, and could be added to several categories depending on where they live. In other words, we could have an entry for Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale), and it would belong to regional categories for all 50 US states, plus the Canadian provinces where it grows, etc. It would belong to a single category for its species or genus, and that category would belong to its own family category, which would belong to its order, etc.
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| − | For Edible Wild Plants, we could add edibility categories (edible tuber, edible greens, etc - as per the EWP honor requirements).
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| − | With all these categories set up, it would be a piece of cake to then create a dynamic field guide for a given area and subject. By using templates, each species could be presented in a uniform way (which we already do).
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| − | Thoughts? --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 08:28, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :I don't have the Wiki skills to set it up, but it sounds like a good plan. Would we be duplicating an existing online effort? Would this detract from completing answers for remaining unfinished honors? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 00:29, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::It might be better to do this at Wikibooks instead of here. They already have some of the meat but not much in the way of bones. In other words, they have articles grouped by major categories (birds, reptiles, etc) but do not have the category system in place. I have a lot of printed field guides, and every single one of them is aimed at a particular region. To create a universal FG we would ''have'' to be able to narrow it down by region. I'll think about this some more before acting. Maybe, I'll think about it for a long time. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 08:06, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :::This sounds like a massive job and duplicative of the printed field guides in existence. I just came back from a trip - much of it without internet access. Tried to ID some flowers and trees and really wished I'd brought a field guide. Practically field guides are meant to be taken to the field so they don't work well online. [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 11:58, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::::I have sometimes had better luck with online FG's, as they are searchable. In these days of smartphones, I expect online FG's to be very fieldable. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 17:47, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | I cant get the image for Bones R5 to display. What am I doing wrong? [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] 20:19, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | :You weren't doing anything wrong, it was me. A while back, when anyone would click the upload tool at Wikibooks, it would upload an image to the WB wiki. Later, they switched it so that images would be loaded to the Commons by default instead. I first answered this honor on Wikibooks before they made the switch, so the upload went to WB instead of the Commons. I'll move it here, and everything should work. --[[User:Jomegat|Jomegat]] 08:40, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
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| − | ::Maybe same issue with Aircraft Modeling [[User:JadeDragon|JadeDragon]] ([[User talk:JadeDragon|talk]]) 15:53, 30 September 2014 (EDT)
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