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Sorry, I must have hit a link by mistake. Didn't notice it until now. --w126jep (talk) 23:32, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Yeah, that's what I figured. No problem! --Jomegat (talk) 00:27, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I'm brand new to this Pathfinder Wiki thing and unsure of how to contact you for clarification of how I can/should do edits. I added info to the Cold Weather Survival honor just today. Some was kept, and a huge portion deleted. Unsure why, and not interested in adding more if it'll be deleted. I welcome correction and tutorial as to how to do this within bounds and be useful. Or… maybe this is out of bounds for me and I should stay off. Do clarify. Not sure how I'll even find this discussion again. I can be reached at erik AT stenbakken DOT com if I cannot find this again.

Transparent backgrounds

Thanks for fixing up the SPD honors to make the backgrounds transparent. The 9 ADRA honor images have the same issue. JadeDragon 01:59, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

OK, I'll see if I can get to that tonight. It was easy compared to when the wiki first opened here and I had nearly 400 to do. That took a little longer! --Jomegat 16:00, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
If there are any left to do, just let me know, and I'll take a crack at them :) Bluescifiworm (talk) 09:16, 20 December 2015 (EST)
I believe they have all been taken care of, but thanks! --Jomegat (talk) 09:22, 20 December 2015 (EST)

New SPD Honors

each of the new spd honors has complete answers on the spd site. can we copy them in? JadeDragon 02:05, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

That depends on them. Did they license them in a way that we can do that? When they began their exercise of revamping everything a couple of years ago they asked if they could use the wiki answers. Of course the answer was "of course, you just have to keep the CC-BY-SA license." They were delighted, and they did exactly that. I don't know if they maintained the spirit of openness with their material. I'll look into it tonight (or you could). --Jomegat 16:03, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
Nope. From their website:


The website interface layout, design and content are our copyrighted property unless otherwise specified. The content on this website may be used by you only for your personal, non-commercial use as provided for in these Terms of Use, but may not be taken out of context or presented in a misleading or discriminatory manner. Any rights not expressly granted to you are reserved by us.

CC-BY-SA requires that we be able to use it for any purpose whatsoever, including commercially. We can't change that because those are the terms we inherited from Wikibooks/Wikipedia. --Jomegat 16:11, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
Hmm I have been thinking we should delete Wikibooks as it is increasingly not complete and not the best answers anymore. Ibfound wikibooks first and started editing there - how many users end up there and find what they need?
Deleting things at WB is not that easy - the WB community has to vote to approve it, and it can only be done by an adminstrator. I dropped my admin privs there some time ago. I still keep an eye on it, import worthwhile edits, ignore inconsequential ones, and fix wrong ones. When I see someone making good edits there I contact them and tell them about this site. Sometimes they respond, and sometimes they do not. It would be nice if it were no longer with us, or if the WB community would allow an off-site redirect. I just don't think they would. Also, (not that you were suggesting this) that would not lift our obligation to continue licensing under CC-BY-SA. Those are the terms under which most of our content was derived, so we are bound by that. IMO, that's a Good Thing. --Jomegat 21:39, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

We could just ask SPD permission tobcopy here - they might say say yes. I will contact SPD before writing new answers. JadeDragon 21:32, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

Yes, but when you ask, you need to make it clear that we would want to relicense it under CC-BY-SA. --Jomegat 21:39, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
a few things. For the moment I directed people to the SPD site for the Chistian Worship honor. No point redoing something that is well done while we have other honors without answers. We could claim copyright on the questions at Wikibooks and delete them, which would make the answers pretty useless. I patrolled all the requirement changes very carefully. All good now. I also found a dairy farmer freind that should be able to help finish the last of the Outdoor Industries honors off. Getting pretty close to finishing Outreach section too.
I would really rather not make copyright claims on WB to get the old work deleted. When I began the work there, I was worried that the NAD might do just that, and I was reasonably certain that my use of the requirements fell under "Fair Use" and I was ready to defend it on those grounds. As it turns out, my fears were not unjustified. There were people in the NAD who were pushing to do exactly that, but others in the Youth department who fought fiercely to defend what I had done and prevented that from happening. I would have been devastated. Further, the NAD once deleted the PF forum without warning. It took us a year to get it restored, but by then it was too late. We had a thriving community there, and that action killed it. There are still a few in the NAD who view the whole wiki concept as flawed, and if they ever managed to push that view through, this site would likely be gone in an instant. I would like to have the old one there to fall back on. For that reason, I make regular backups of this site. --Jomegat 17:04, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Radio header should link to the Advanced honor. Can't figure out how to change it. JadeDragon 12:52, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

The honor_header template has some code in it to look for "<pagename> - Advanced". If it finds it, it links to it. The Radio - Advanced honor had been misnamed (no hyphen) so the code couldn't find it. I've moved the page now, so it works. Thanks for pointing it out! --Jomegat 21:54, 3 April 2014 (EDT)


Can you change to JadeDragon 02:36, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Hi, JadeDragon. I did that on purpose. I intend over the course of the next couple of months to move all the honors out from under their categories and place them directly under the root level. The reasons for this are that it will make it a lot easier to link between honors if we remove that level of hierarchy, and it will not really mess anything up. Another reason is that the NAD Honors Taskforce approved a new honor last week but did not yet decided on which category it will be assigned. It will probably go into a new category named "Heritage," and there are several other honors that will be moved there with it. We expect there will also be a Heritage Master Award forthcoming. --Jomegat 09:14, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
However - that's a lot of work, so I want to stew on it for a little while before I act. --Jomegat 09:17, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
Great, thanks for the insight. Agreed - much easier to interlink, but lots of work to change all the links. If you decide to proceed let me know, and how to do it. I'm happy to divide the categories up between us and tackle the job.JadeDragon 21:12, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
I think I'm going to want to stew on it longer. It would be an incredible amount of work, and I'm not sure that it would even lend itself to automation. The honors themselves wouldn't be that hard, but some honors have submodules that have relative links. I think it might be best to move Sharks into the Nature category for now (and maybe forever). --Jomegat 21:19, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
I see you copied me a bit on the honors listing :D I just felt it took up less space visually, and less scrolling to put the honor patches :) Bluescifiworm 00:35, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
Yup. I wasn't going to list mine at all, but liked the way you had done it so much I changed my mind. --Jomegat 06:28, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

Images for the radio electronics honor

I noticed that most of the images in the radio electronics honor are missing, presumably due to the transfer to the current wiki. Do you know if they are still available?

Yes, they are still available, and your guess is correct. This was one of the first honors I tried to answer at Wikibooks, so not knowing better, I uploaded the images to Wikibooks instead of to Wikimedia Commons. I will upload them to our wiki in a few minutes.
Incidentally, I designed (and tested) the circuits in these missing images, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. Thanks for pointing out that these were missing! --Jomegat 18:51, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
Thanks. It might be good to add some more resources either to requirement 8 or to a new "resources" section at the end. Places like and have kits and tutorials available. In addition eBay can be a great place to order components for much cheaper than the normal sources like digikey, mouser, etc...
I would like to put together one or more new honors dealing with more modern electronics like microcontrolers and stuff. there are so many great things that can be done easily now that weren't available to most people 20+ years ago.-- 15:52, 11 March 2014 (EDT)
Those are good ideas. I had been toying with the concept of a few honors like that, but hadn't considered an honor based around products such as the RasPi, Arduino, or Adafruit (et al). I had been thinking more along the lines of Digital Electronics, which would deal with logic gates. I do get to sit in on the NAD Honors Task Force (though I couldn't make it this year). I'll see if I can dig up the guidelines for submitting new honors and post them here.
As for modifying the answers in requirement 8 or adding a resources section I say... go for it. This is a Wiki, and you have edit privileges already. Here are a couple of honors I had been thinking of:
  • Digital Electronics
  • Microcontrollers (well... that's your idea, but I like having one list)
  • Programming
  • Soldering (not sure that would be a whole honor, but... maybe it could be. It could also be a requirement in one).
There have been noises on writing a Robotics honor too. The one I saw was going to require Lego Mindstorms, which I think would be a mistake. Having requirements that can be met with Mindstorms is OK, but requiring a particular brand... not cool, and definitely prone to built-in obsolescence. --Jomegat 16:43, 11 March 2014 (EDT)
The problem I was having was coming up with a name for the honor. Digital Electronics was one I thought about but I wasn't sure about it since I thought microcontrollers might be beyond just digital electronics, but it was the best one I had thought of. Maybe the basic honor could deal with the simple components: logic gates, 555s, etc... and an advanced honor could deal with microcontrollers, or maybe it should be the other way around, it might be simpler to do stuff with a Pic, Stamp, or Arduino and then the advanced honor could deal with the components. The obsolescence issue is a huge one, maybe "radio electronics" should be renamed.:)
Soldering is one of the requirements for the radio electronics honor. Maybe an advanced honor could be added that included more soldering, surface mount maybe, plus other things like creating PCBs.
I always thought it would be fun to have a programming honor that could be done in any language, and have language pins like the stars and diamonds, that could be applied to the patch for different languages.
There is a proposed robotics honor requirement on the Adventist Robotics League website, but it needs some work. I also got some requirements for several proposed honors from Mark, but they all needed work in my opinion. I agree that specifying the mindstorms is an issue, though it should definitely be named as an example in the honor answers.
I haven't updated anything yet because I haven't had time, and I hadn't gotten around to creating an account on this wiki yet. Anyway I have an account now, so I'll try to make some updates. One question I did have about updates, is would it be possible for you to recreate the symbols and schematics in a format that doesn't have a black background? They are a bit harder to read that way when you try to print them. I'm not sure what you created them with so I don't know how hard it would be to recreate them.--MrJoe 00:43, 12 March 2014 (EDT)
I created them with gEda, but I don't know if I still have the source files. I'll dig around for them when I get home tonight. If worse came to worse, it would not be that hard to recreate them from scratch. They are (by design) not complicated circuits.
I like the idea of language pins, but since that deviates from any established practice, it would be a lot more difficult to get the honors committee on board.
I would prefer to have digital electronics preceed microcontrollers, as it would tend to remove the "magic." Having even a loose graps of the fundamentals would allow the student to create and/or interface peripherals to the microcontroller. --Jomegat 13:40, 12 March 2014 (EDT)
An exhaustive search of my archives came up empty. If we want schematics with a white background, we'll have to create them from scratch. --Jomegat 11:17, 13 March 2014 (EDT)
I do have photoshop again, and could work with you on creating some if you wish :) Bluescifiworm (talk) 09:13, 20 December 2015 (EST)
Photoshop is the wrong tool for schematic creation. But you could use it to change the colors on existing schematics. --Jomegat (talk) 09:24, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Outreach Honors

Been away for a bit - popped in and saw this diff = which does not say what I think you mean to say. Also as a Pathfinder in Canada - what group should I go for? JadeDragon 02:07, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

Lego design and Adventist Heritage

Just wanted to let you know that the patch color for the Lego Design honor is the wrong color. It is currently dark blue (outreach) and should be light blue for Arts and Crafts. If you want, I can fix it in photoshop and upload the new one this weekend. Also, the link for the Adventist Church Heritage Award (Not the honor version) is broken. Bluescifiworm 14:39, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

It's been fixed - never mind :) Bluescifiworm 15:06, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Request for a table

Can you put this content into a table? It could be 3 or 4 columns wide and take up far less space. Struggling with that. JadeDragon (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2014 (EST)

Water Science

Trying to add a reference link to the references section on Water Science, but it's not working right with the Translate code. How would I do that? Been a while since I poked around on here. Planning to teach this to my class, and wanted some good links.

Link here: Wikipedia: Water Bluescifiworm (talk) 09:14, 20 December 2015 (EST)

The link would be written this way: [[w:water|Water]]. Whenever linking to Wikipedia, you just put the letter w followed by a colon and then the name of the article. Then you can put the name within the parameter so the blue hyperlink appears with the name you want.
I'm not sure what you mean by translate code. If it has to do with translate tags, don't worry about it, just make sure you don't delete any existing ones, and I'll take care of marking it for translation.
If you mean linkng the article to Wikipedia in another language, that is done by the translator working on it.
Hope that helps!--w126jep (talk) 10:29, 20 December 2015 (EST)
My guess is that she was adding it after the noinclude/translate tags? I added the ref. Cailin, you should look at it to see what I did. --Jomegat (talk) 10:40, 20 December 2015 (EST)
Thanks, I'll look at it :) I was in the middle of editing when you did that... so hopefully it worked Bluescifiworm (talk) 10:48, 20 December 2015 (EST)
Finally added the Water Science Jeopardy pages to the honor :) Bluescifiworm (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Homemaking Master and Wilderness Master

I uploaded a color corrected version of the patch (literally scanned my sash :P), But I can't get the new version to be the active one? Bluescifiworm (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Never mind, I got it :P Bluescifiworm (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Health and Science Honors

I noticed some of these still have the blue background of Outreach (Spiritual Growth), when they should have purple for Health and Science. I'm working through them and updating accordingly. Already changed over Standard First Aid and Health and Healing patches. Bluescifiworm (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2016 (EDT)

Good catch. Thanks JadeDragon (talk) 00:27, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
I'll make another pass later this week and see if there are any I missed! Bluescifiworm (talk) 23:04, 20 July 2016 (EDT)

Flower Arrangement

I've fixed the issue with the Baby's Breath image. I am however noticing a coding issue just at the start of the section which has the tables of perennials and annuals. Could you take a look? Bluescifiworm (talk) 18:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Fixed --Jomegat (talk) 22:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Card Making

the revisions add to the card making honor was not changing the honor just fixed it to match the requirements at Requirement 10 was mistakenly omitted in the wiki and I added it back and renumbered the remaining requirements to match the pathfindersonline honor requirements. As you have reverted the wiki it is incorrect and confusing as it asks within question 10 to complete requirements from question 10 which don't exist in the reverted version only in the version as I fixed it !!!

Single Subject Videos

I am happy to help with the video's I started doing the honours online because I am able to connect with the Pathfinders across Australia - the Australian Union Conference and the Greater Sydney Conference (of which I am one of the Youth Directors) saw the need for this because of this Covid-19 thing.

I am doing one honour per week, as well as some training videos

Please see attached the worksheet and Certificate

This has allowed me to get Bible Studies and other Pathfinder leaders around Australia - Also Pathfinder age Children watching the videos are joining Pathfinder Clubs.

It is working really well

I have also found that 10min for the instructional video is around max length.

would you put a link to the YouTube channel for the single requirement videos?

Blessings Brother


Youtube Channel

We'd embed the single-req videos under the requirement they'd teach. I left an example of how the embedding is done on your talk page. Even though your waterfall video teaches the whole honor (well done!), I'm tempted to embed it under requirement one as-is. --Jomegat (talk) 17:09, 30 April 2020 (EDT)